Showing posts with label governance. Show all posts
Showing posts with label governance. Show all posts

Saturday, January 21, 2023

an apparent account of Mark Driscoll's resignation from Mars Hill from the 2021 book Pray Like Jesus, juxtaposed with prior accounts and Sutton Turner's published notes from the 2014 investigation of Mark Driscoll

Pray Like Jesus: Learn to Pray to God as Father

Mark Driscoll and Ashley Chase

Copyright © 2021 by Mark Driscoll and Ashley Chase

Charisma House

ISBN 978-1-62999-926-5

ISBN 978-1-62999-927-2 (ebook)

 

Before I (Mark) married Grace, I prayed a lot. She did the same. We also asked our Christian friends and family to join us. Since we were young, we did not want simply to ask God to bless our plan, but we wanted to ask God to give us His plan. Are you getting married? Sort that out with God first. Whom you marry is the second-most important decision you will ever make after whom you will worship. The same is true of any major life decision. One of our pastors, who has taught us a lot, walked with us through the biggest decision-making season of our life as a married couple. We took months to pray and asked others to pray with us and for us. We wanted God to tell us whether we should stay in a ministry, home, and city that we’d been serving for a few decades or if we should transition into a completely unknown future in faith.

 

After months of prayer God spoke to us both audibly at the same time. Grace was in the kitchen, and I was in the bed-room on the opposite end of our home. Grace came running in the bedroom to tell me that God had spoken to her, and stunned, I told her that at the same moment He spoke to her, he also spoke to me. He told us both we were “released”.

 

This word from the Lord led to the biggest faith step of our lives as we did not know what was next but knew that a season of our life had ended and we needed to step out together, in faith. In submission to the pastoral authority over us, we asked our overseers whether they agreed this was a word from God. They confirmed what God said.

 

Without months of praying together and God supernaturally answering this prayer, we would have been divided, and, as Jesus taught, our household would have fallen apart. Thankfully, because of prayer, we were united and able to lead our five kids through an incredibly painful and difficult time. We are now in the holiest, happiest, and healthiest season of our lives, doing ministry together because God heard and answered our prayers.   Pages 50-51

 

In this account Mark Driscoll mentioned that he and Grace prayed for months about whether or not to leave the ministry they had been in.  Because Mark Driscoll had not pastored a church prior to Mars Hill there is basically no room for misunderstanding the “ministry” identity. The Driscolls, Mark tells us, wanted God to tell them whether they should stay at Mars Hill or transition into a new unknown future. 

 

Mark Driscoll, obviously recounted that after months of prayers by him and his wife, God audibly spoke to both of them.  They were released. Now we’ll get back to other accounts of this moment before long but the most significant element in this newer account is what Mark Driscoll reports as having happened next—the Driscolls went to their overseers and asked whether they agreed God released them.  This seems to be a reference to the former Mars Hill Board of Overseers, a subset of the Board of Advisors and Accountability.  Driscoll’s account was that the Board of Overseers, apparently, concluded that God had, in fact, spoken to Mark and Grace Driscoll and that would entail that the board accepted Mark Driscoll’s resignation. 


We're about to get detailed so if that's okay with you read on.

Saturday, November 06, 2021

another case of purged content, Larry Osborn conversation with Driscoll from 2016 has been scrubbed, revisiting that 41 former MH elders issued a statement earlier this year that Driscoll was disqualified from pastoral ministry

For those longtime readers who remember the following post ... an index of a series I wrote a while back ...
https://wenatcheethehatchet.blogspot.com/2018/05/a-larry-osborne-conversation-with-mark_20.html
be advised that the following links are dead ends because the content has been made private or unavailable

uploaded November 16, 2016
092816 400 Gathering Session 1

A somewhat significant stretch of the material I've discussed here at Wenatchee The Hatchet ended up purged or redacted in some fashion and so it's not really a surprise if the Osborn/Driscoll talk has vanished since Christianity Today reported that 41 former elders signed a statement saying they found Mark Driscoll disqualified from ministry.

Thursday, September 30, 2021

a history of Mars Hill Fellowship by way of articles of incorporation and annual reports 1995-2007

One of the things the podcast The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill has reminded me of is how few people from the earliest stages of Mars Hill history have said anything on record.  A reason for this absence may partly be because people from Antioch Bible Church and Spanish River Church such as Ken Hutcherson and David Nicholas died years ago.  Conspicuous by their absence from the podcast are the three co-founding leaders of Mars Hill Mark Driscoll, Mike Gunn and Lief Moi.

But ... now that in the wake of the dissolution of the corporation formerly known as Mars Hill Church the original articles of incorporation and annual reports have been made available through the State of Washington and so, absent more comments (or any) from people from the earlier years as of the eve of October 2021 it may be as well to document a history of Mars Hill through filed documents.   Thus ...

Thursday, August 12, 2021

initial thoughts on episode 7 of The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill: Scott Thomas' statements in `21 on `07 are difficult to reconcile with what he wrote in `07 about the terminations and trials of Petry and Meyer

The newest episode of The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill is, frankly, baffling in a few spots. No part of the episode seems more puzzling than the statements made by Scott Thomas about the 2007 terminations and trials of Paul Petry and Bent Meyer.  What Scott Thomas told Mike Cosper for the podcast I have transcribed below:

THE RISE AND FALL OF MARS HILLEPISODE 7|1 hr
State of Emergency
MIKE COSPER   AUGUST 9, 2021
00:44:22 
COSPER:   That same day, Scott Thomas was assigned to lead an Elder Investigation Taskforce looking into charges from Driscoll that Paul and Bent had disqualified themselves as elders.

SCOTT THOMAS:  What we determined, with a group of godly men, who were coming together, and what we determined was Paul nor Bent had done ANYTHING to disqualify themselves  from eldership and that was our [brief pause] report. I've got the full report right now but we determined there was nothing to disqualify them from eldership.

COSPER: You would think with a conclusion like that, that it would be a sort of open and shut case with the rest of the elders  but there's a weird disconnect that happens in the middle of this.  The team that Scott Thomas was leading, investigating Paul and Bent, did clear them of wrongdoing but they didn't communicate that to them directly. Instead, in all of the formal communications that I've seen, they simply said the investigation was complete and that Paul and Bent didn't need to attend their own trial before the rest of the elders. ...


SCOTT THOMAS: 00:46:12 
Both came and spoke and thought we were saying they were guilty and they approached it that way and began to blast, you know, most everybody in the room. And so it didn't help their cause and so the elders said, "Well, we gotta take action now."  And it was a different way from what the team that was investigating it, WE said they did nothing to disqualify themselves from eldership. And, uh, but after they spoke we said, "Well, maybe they should, at least, be reprimanded."
So, the thing is, none of that sits very easily beside the actual statements Scott Thomas was making in 2007 during the months of the investigation, trial, verdicts and subsequent shunning orders but it will take time to revisit all the materials preserved both at Joyful Exiles and materials made available to Wenatchee The Hatchet.  If you're up for reading through a pile of material, proceed.

Saturday, June 05, 2021

Sarah Einselen at The Roys Report--Mike Brisk (who manages Robert Morris' office at Gateway) stated Morris doesn't provide oversight for Driscoll's church and hasn't for some time

Robert Morris also was the first to give Driscoll a platform after Driscoll resigned in 2014 from Mars Hill Church in Seattle for a pattern of “arrogance” and abusive leadership. Just days after Driscoll’s resignation, Morris welcomed Driscoll to speak at a Gateway Church conference, urging attendees not to believe everything they read on the internet.

 

Morris stated at the time that Driscoll was “going through a difficulty that most of you have probably read about.” Morris then claimed that not everything on the internet is true and added, “There are some pastors, myself included, and some others that you would know, that were speaking into his life — and he’s listening.”

Jimmy Evans is named as a director of Trinity Church on the church’s articles of incorporation. Also named as a director is Randal Taylor, who’s a chief strategist at a leading Christian marketing firm, Dunham and Company.

 

As recently as this past February, Morris, Evans, and Taylor were named on the website as providing “wise counsel,” but now their names have been removed.

However, Mike Brisky, who manages Morris’s office at Gateway Church in Dallas, Texas, told The Roys Report that Morris doesn’t provide oversight for Driscoll’s church, and hasn’t for some time.

“For over a year, Pastor Robert has not had any official position of oversight with Trinity Church but is available if counsel is sought by the church leaders,” Briskey said.

Brisky couldn’t say when Morris’s official position of oversight ended and didn’t answer how Morris planned to address the concerns raised in Freese’s open letter.

Brisky also didn’t specify whether Morris’s availability for counsel extended to all church leadership, including volunteers like Freese. (Freese said in his open letter he had felt led to fulfill the director of security role as a full-time volunteer.)

Perhaps a way to reformulate the question in light of what role the Board of Overseers had at Mars Hill Church in 2013-2014 (part of the Mars Hill Board of Advisors and Accountability) seemed to be as documented here and more generally here, it's never been clear that any formal oversight board actually did oversight of Mark Driscoll.  Let's not forget the MHC BOAA's initial response to news that Result Source was used to secure a #1 spot on the New York Times bestseller list for Real Marriage.

Saturday, May 15, 2021

Julie Roys has also noticed that Ashley Chase is listed as director of Real Faith (Mark Driscoll Ministries) but is listed nowhere on the ministry's 990 form


Julie Roys has more coverage of disclosures related to what isn't disclosed about or within The Trinity Church.
Driscoll’s daughter, Ashley Chase, is the director of Real Faith. Yet, on Trinity’s website Chase is listed in her capacity as Real Faith director as a staff member of the church. Chase also is not listed on the latest IRS 990 for Real Faith, even though the IRS requires nonprofits to report compensation paid to anyone related to a board member.
So I'm glad to see I wasn't the only person who noticed that!

For folks unfamiliar with the history of financial opacity at Mars Hill, the most read and most viewed single post in the history of Wenatchee The Hatchet was the one about Mark Driscoll's personal financial compensation package. 

another popular post was 

Apparently Mark Driscoll now says of Mars Hill "We're not a wealthy church".


Reference is made to materials from the Mars Hill years in which Sutton Turner expressed behind the scenes objections to practices he regarded as below board.  

If you want to read about the history of Mars Hill real estate acquisitions there's a tag for that.  There are a bunch of other things reported that will be of interest to people who were at Mars Hill and may have wondered (but did we really?) if history was going to repeat itself at The Trinity Church.  That the family business is a family business isn't a surprise.  At some point in the future we'll probably have to do a series on Win Your War.

Friday, April 30, 2021

Warren Throckmorton on the elderless church of Mark Driscoll in AZ parts 2 and 3 (also 4), revisiting how neither a board of directors nor a board of advisors & accountability seemed to have restrained consolidation of powers in the Mars Hill years

Warren Throckmorton now has a multi-part series on how Mark Driscoll's newest church, The Trinity Church, has no elders and a board that seems to simply exist.

That there is a board of directors that includes men who don't attend the church may remind long-time readers who know the history of Mars Hill of the Board of Advisors and Accountability that had a Board of Overseers. 

Throckmorton has noted that Mark Driscoll Ministries is doing business as Real Faith.

The board members on Mark Driscoll Ministries are 
(1) MARK DRISCOLL, PRESIDENT
(2) RANDAL TAYLOR, SECRETARY (TREASURER)
(3) BRANDON THOMAS, BOARD MEMBER
(4) JOSH MCPHERSON, BOARD MEMBER

For the last of these names that's a name that has, in fact, shown up a handful of times here at this blog.
Throckmorton linked to some audio that Driscoll preached at McPherson's church that went away after a while but a transcript is at the following link:

There was also a listing for Josh McPherson as a Mars Hill pastor for a while, back around September 2014.

Now for Throckmorton's part three "Where's the Board?"

Monday, April 26, 2021

Warren Throckmorton has an update on the elderless The Trinity Church that Mark Driscoll is President and CEO of; revisiting the post-MHC resignation role of some board members of TTC and Driscoll on governance as "throne down not pew up"

Warren Throckmorton has noted that The Trinity Church seems to be an elderless church.  There are pastors but they aren't listed as elders.  If Throckmorton's account tells us anything it's that former members of The Trinity Church have indicated that the church does not have elders.  
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During the past couple of weeks, several former members of The Trinity Church in Scottsdale have contacted me to talk about about aspects of Mars Hill Church in Seattle. They contacted me due to my coverage of Mars Hill from late 2013 until 2015. They tell stories remarkably similar to those I heard from former Mars Hill members during that span of time. There is one major difference. In the current church, there are no elders who are putting on any brakes. There are no elders to whom appeals can be made. Several former members and staffers have told me that The Trinity Church does not have elders. 
Some things do sound the same. Non-disclosure agreements are again being used. Money is again conditioned on silence. People are describing abrupt decisions about membership without due process. Friends and family who are considered disloyal to the church are being shunned. At some point, these stories may be told. For now, according to former members and staff,  the pastors who are there in addition to Driscoll are not elders in the decision making sense of the office. If elders hold you accountable in one place, eliminate them in the next place.
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If that means "friends and family of Mark Driscoll" who are considered disloyal to Mark Driscoll then that may be the case but is also, at the moment, impossible to verify. At some point those stories may be told but to go by the history of Mars Hill Church the likelihood is low.  Few people I can think of off the top of my head have ever opted to go on record about unpleasant experiences they had at Mars Hill.  They don't have to, of course.  Nobody should feel compelled or coerced into going on the record about unpleasant experiences.  So perhaps stories may be shared but let's not presume upon that.

Saturday, August 01, 2020

for those who read much faster than people talk, Sutton Turner has published transcripts of his talk with Throckmorton and Bruskas


It's no less than about 20,000 words, though, so it won't necessarily be a faster read for everyone than listening to two hours of conversation.  

Other projects have my attention but I hope to eventually discuss the interview and a few things that were and were not discussed in it.  It's got a ton of inside baseball stuff that won't necessarily (or quickly) make sense at every point in the conversation to someone who wasn't fairly closely connected to events and people at MHC over the course of it's 18 year run. 

Saturday, May 30, 2020

notes on Ep 8 of Older Pastor/Younger Pastor--Sutton Turner confirms that Mark Driscoll has blocked him across social media and won't talk to him in any capacity, and some other things

I thought it was going to be a seven episode run but there are eight episodes.
https://amicalled.com/pastoral-lessons-from-mars-hill-church-e8-lessons-on-recovering-after-crisis/
What is more, Sutton Turner has published the transcript of episode 8
https://investyourgifts.com/recovering-after-crisis/
Ah, thanks!  That sure beats Wenatchee The Hatchet having to spend a uncounted hours transcribing things like Mark Driscoll's 2008 spiritual warfare series before being able to do any analysis of it!

Excerpts from and thoughts/notes on Episode 8 are below:

Thursday, May 28, 2020

notes on the Older Pastor/Younger Pastor series with Ryan Williams, Dave Bruskas and Sutton Turner on lessons from Mars Hill--UPDATE: quotes from transcripts

So the seven-part series has recently, if it goes to seven parts, wrapped up.  As Sutton Turner has commented and fielded questions here at Wenatchee The Hatchet he would probably not be too surprised that Wenatchee The Hatchet has taken the five hours needed to listen to all seven episodes, and likely Bruskas and Ryan Williams would not be surprised at this post either.  Nobody who knows the history of this blog as a chronicle of the life and death of Mars Hill would be. So ... some notes ...


Saturday, May 23, 2020

discussion series: Pastoral Lessons from Mars Hill Church with Ryan Williams, Dave Bruskas & Sutton Turner

The seventh episode of an apparently seven (?) part series has gone up in which Ryan Williams talks with Dave Bruskas and Sutton Turner.  Owing to offline life events I have had other projects going and haven't tackled MHC related stuff in a while.  Now that Ragtime and Sonata Forms is up, though, I'll have time to get to the series, eventually.  For those who haven't heard of the series the links to the episodes are available after the break.

Monday, November 04, 2019

Julie Roys: Elders at Harvest Formally Disqualify James MacDonald From Ministry (i.e. former MHC BoAA member James MacDonald)

https://julieroys.com/elders-at-harvest-formally-disqualify-james-macdonald-from-ministry/

James MacDonald has been declared formally disqualified from serving in pastoral ministry on the basis of findings with regard to his conduct and character. 

We've looked at Roys' coverage of James MacDonald and Harvest Bible Chapel in the past.

https://wenatcheethehatchet.blogspot.com/2018/12/julie-roys-article-at-world-mentions.html

https://wenatcheethehatchet.blogspot.com/2018/10/statement-from-james-macdonald.html

Here in 2019 it can seem that a few of the people who endorsed Mark and Grace Driscoll's Real Marriage back in 2012 landed themselves in some controversy.

https://wenatcheethehatchet.blogspot.com/2016/07/real-marriage-in-2016-looking-back-on.html

MacDonald is the highest profile recent example but Bob Coy, Perry Noble, Les & Leslie Parrott and Darrin Patrick all had varying levels of controversy.  What makes the MacDonald situation unique is simply that the HBC board has issued a public statement declaring that he is currently not considered by them to be qualified to work in continuing ministry.

This blog having more of a history of dealing with things Mars Hill this isn't the venue for advocates for JM or HBC to comment and expect that to make it out of moderation. 

That MacDonald was with Mark Driscoll when he decided to crash The Strange Fire conference has been easily established. 

https://wenatcheethehatchet.blogspot.com/2014/06/revisiting-time-where-mark-driscoll.html

That other party-crashers with Driscoll included Dave Bruskas and Sutton Turner along with James MacDonald seemed, to me, to establish that Paul Tripp was correct when he assessed that the BoAA was incapable of doing what it was expected to do, keep Mark Driscoll accountable.  In light of subsequent discoveries and coverage about MacDonald's conduct, termination, and the recent announcement from HBC that he is not regarded as qualified to be in ministry right now, this is something that should be kept in mind in light of Mark Driscoll's repudiation of the Calvinist TULIP and his claim that the young, restless Reformed guys are little boys with father wounds who prefer big brother figures and don't want to be accountable to father figures.  In light of James MacDonald's conduct and role on the MHC BoAA it might be fair to ask whether Mark Driscoll has avoided even "older brother" figures for accountability.  As noted earlier, Darren Patrick was born a month after Mark Driscoll, he of whom Driscoll once said "He's my pastor, you know?"  As for Jamie Munson, the at one time legal president of Mars Hill from 2007 to 2011, Driscoll was formally subordinate to Munson as president but the nickname "Mini-Mark" was not without cause.  Munson could be regarded as another case in which Mark Driscoll had men on a board to which he was said to be accountable that featured people who were arguably "little brother" figures rather than "older brother" figures. 

There was a kind of father figure pastor in the early Driscoll public career, David Nicholas.


http://www.christianitytoday.com/le/2000/fall/6.44.html
http://www.christianitytoday.com/le/2000/fall/6.44.html?start=2


How do you do this over such long distance?

Driscoll: We talk all the time. David is my pastor.[emphasis added] He prays for me. He invests in me. He doesn't tell me what to do, but when he sees things in my character or theology that need to be challenged, he speaks to that very directly. I desperately need that. I tend to be stubborn and aggressive. I need someone strong speaking into my life, saying, "Think about this." But it has to be predicated on friendship and love.

http://www.christianitytoday.com/le/2000/fall/6.44.html?start=3
http://www.christianitytoday.com/le/2000/fall/6.44.html?start=4
http://www.christianitytoday.com/le/2000/fall/6.44.html?start=5

But what happened to that relationship is anybody's guess.  The possibility that what Mark Driscoll has called accountability might be a formality or involve a set of relationships in which the people to whom he says he's accountable are people that under a variety of circumstances would be, in his historic pattern of teaching, people who would have to submit to him is something that's been discussed here in the past.  For sake of review.

https://wenatcheethehatchet.blogspot.com/2012/08/spiritual-authority-accountability.html

MacDonald, of course, resigned from the MHC BoAA about the same time Paul Tripp, though providing a drastically different rationale for resignation.  Where Tripp declared the MHC BoAA was incapable of accomplishing its purpose, MacDonald said he was so confident in Pastor Mark's goodwill he saw no reason to continue being on the MHC BoAA. 

UPCOMING CHANGES TO THE BOAA

Dr. Paul Tripp joined our Board of Advisors and Accountability in November 2013 and has been an immense help to our leaders over the past year. Dr. Tripp has extensive experience in discipleship and biblical counseling. Earlier this month, we made the decision together to open the opportunity for him to work with greater focus on issues directly related to his expertise, namely the continued development of our community and redemption ministries. Because simultaneously being a board member and a consultant does not allow for the required definition of independence, Dr. Tripp graciously submitted his resignation from the BOAA in early June so that he can more extensively serve our church as a consultant. We are excited to continue this work with him, and are thankful for his continued support of Mars Hill Church.
Similarly, Pastor James MacDonald informed the board at the July meeting of his decision to transition from his current role on the board pending his replacement. Pastor James has been a great help in forming the current board’s direction, and we are very grateful for his time and wisdom over the last several years. He said about this transition, “I have great love and affection for Mars Hill Church and I want to make clear this change is not because I am unhappy with Mark’s response to board accountability. On the contrary, I have found him to be exemplary in his current readiness to live under the BOAA oversight. I am not resigning because I doubt Mark’s sincerity in any way. I believe in Mark Driscoll and his heart to leverage difficult lessons [emphases added] in service to Christ and his church in the years ahead. I am excited to continue to support that trajectory as Mark’s friend, as I focus my efforts on Harvest Bible Fellowship.” [emphases added]
Considering these transitions, Pastor Mark shared, “I am thankful for the service of both Paul and James, two men I admire and respect. Their service on our board has been a blessing to me and Mars Hill Church in countless ways. The amount of hours they have given as volunteers is extraordinary, especially in light of their other ministry demands.” Candidates are currently being interviewed to replace these open board positions. They will be submitted before the Full Council of Elders for their approval as soon as possible.

A couple of months later Driscoll resigned to the stated surprise of the BoAA, a matter that former BoAA member Larry Osborne could potentially address now if willing to field questions on the topic of Mark Driscoll's resignation.

That MacDonald has been found unfit to currently serve in ministry probably should be kept in mind in assessing the nature of Mark Driscoll's resignation in late 2014.  MacDonald, after all, was not necessarily involved in the investigation that Driscoll said was made and if he wasn't then on what basis could MacDonald be confident that Driscoll would or could not be found unfit to continue in pastoral ministry without some kind of restoration plan? 

Wednesday, October 30, 2019

Julie Roys mentions that Mark Driscoll slated to speak at Larry Osborne conference, sponsors drop

https://julieroys.com/disgraced-pastor-mark-driscoll-to-speak-at-larry-osbornes-conference-on-healthy-thriving-ministries-sponsors-drop/

This has come up recently and while Wenatchee The Hatchet isn't necessarily writing much about what's been going on at The Village Church (connections being Matt Chandler and Dave Bruskas) it doesn't mean I don't keep any tabs on those kinds of developments.  Tim Smith did end up listed on staff at Door of Hope in Portland, for instance, after what used to be Mars Hill Portland shuttered.

Of former MHC associated leadership James MacDonald was a bit more newsworthy in the last year on account of, among a number of things, reporting done by Julie Roys.  The latest bit of news connecting to Driscoll is Roys has reported that Driscoll is scheduled as a speaker at a Larry Osborne connected conference on healthy, thriving ministries, and some named sponsors are no longer sponsors or have not yet made decisions.

What is of significance with respect to both Driscoll and Osborne is the degree to which I've documented Mark Driscoll saying that a meeting with Osborne proved fateful for inspiring him to reorganize Mars Hill, something he announced in the closing chapters of Confessions of a Reformission Rev which was undertaken in the period from roughly 2006 to 2007.  Along the way there were substantial revisions to the governing documents that consolidated and centralized power from a two-dozen elder board to anywhere between three to five executive elders who were given the power to decide to acquire real estate, for instance.  

I reviewed some history between Mark Driscoll and Larry Osborne in the following series of posts.  

https://wenatcheethehatchet.blogspot.com/search/label/osborne%20driscoll%20talk

Something that is worth mentioning is that, you'll need to plug this into the Wayback Machine or find a corrresponding link at marshill.se, Osborne was listed as a member of the Mars Hill BoAA in 2013.  This notice was made around the time of the fateful late 2013 interview with Janet Mefferd in which Mefferd accused Mark Driscoll of being a plagiarist on air and shortly thereafter provided documentation establishing the credibility of the accusation.  Eventually Warren Throckmorton would chronicle the ways in which books spanning what was up until 2013 Mark Driscoll's catalog of books turned out to have citation errors. Those citation errors have since been fixed in second editions and some books are in the process of revision, most notably Doctrine, which Mark Driscoll said he's rewriting this year.

Osborne and MacDonald were both on the BoAA during the plagiarism controversy of late 2013
http://marshill.com/2013/11/23/dr-paul-tripp-joins-mars-hill-s-board-of-advisors-and-accountability
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Paul Tripp
Michael Van Skaik
James MacDonald
Larry Osborne
Mark Driscoll
Dave Bruskas
Sutton Turner

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According to the Wayback Machine, as far back as May 2012 the following were listed as part of a committee that would investigate allegations against Mark Driscoll.

https://web.archive.org/web/20120531232846/http://marshill.com/governance
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In the event that a formal charge and/or accusation is made against Pastor Mark that, if investigated and found to be true, would disqualify him from his position as an elder in Mars Hill Church, a group of five men consisting of both elders within Mars Hill Church and Christian leaders outside of Mars Hill Church, will investigate the charge or accusation and determine if it is true. This group currently consists of Jamie Munson, Dave Bruskas, James MacDonald, Darrin Patrick, and Larry Osborne. If the charge or accusation is found to be true, this group can rebuke Pastor Mark or, if warranted, remove him as an elder at Mars Hill Church. If Pastor Mark is removed as an elder, he automatically ceases to serve on the Board of Elders, on the Executive Elder Team, and as president of Mars Hill Church.
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Jamie Munson doesn't seem to be listing anything of his executive elder days with Mars Hill in his resume lately.  If you didn't know from being at Mars Hill from about 2000 to 2013 that Jamie Munson was one of the fixtures of Mars Hill leadership you might not be able to guess he had anything to do with any ministry Mark Driscoll was ever connected to this year.  

Dave Bruskas is quoted by Roys in her recent coverage.
https://julieroys.com/disgraced-pastor-mark-driscoll-to-speak-at-larry-osbornes-conference-on-healthy-thriving-ministries-sponsors-drop/
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Driscoll resigned from Mars Hill in 2014 after an internal investigation at the church found Driscoll guilty of “arrogance, responding to conflict with a quick temper and harsh speech, and leading . . . in a domineering manner.” But prior to his resignation, Driscoll had already publicly been accused of plagiarism. His church had also admitted that it had used more than $210,000 of church funds to buy Driscoll’s 2013 book, Real Marriage, to put the book at the top the New York Times best-seller’s list.
Driscoll, known by some as the “cussing pastor,” was also known for degrading talk about women and vulgarity. (He once said women were created to be “homes” for men’s penises and that oral sex was biblical.) And in 2016, several former members brought a class-action suit against Driscoll, accusing him of running Mars Hill like an organized crime syndicate—systematically soliciting donations for one purpose, but then using them for another. (This suit was later dismissed because the plaintiffs said they didn’t have the money to pursue the suit.)
Yesterday, I talked with Dave Bruskas, one of three former executive elders at Mars Hill, who now serves as campus pastor at The Village Church Fort Worth. Bruskas said Driscoll refused to go through the restoration plan that Mars Hill had suggested in 2014. And to Bruskas’ knowledge, Driscoll has not gone through any restoration plan since. In addition, Bruskas said that he knows people whom Driscoll has hurt who are not reconciled with him.
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Let's take a digression on the penis homes material.  There may be those in 2019 who might be skeptical that Mark Driscoll could have written that a penis needs a home and that he would have ever described a woman as a fit home for a penis.  

Wenatchee the Hatchet published the raw text of Mark Driscoll's "Using Your Penis", published under the pseudonym William Wallace II, on July 29, 2014.  Somebody kept a text file of the whole thing for years and gave it to Wenatchee The Hatchet. Eventually an html file was provided and a jpeg of that was added.

https://wenatcheethehatchet.blogspot.com/2014/07/the-raw-text-no-pun-intended-of-william.html

There was an interesting trajectory comparing Mark Driscoll in his William Wallace II days to his WSU Evergreen op ed days.

https://wenatcheethehatchet.blogspot.com/2014/08/real-marriage-in-january-2012-and.html

To get into the full extent of Driscoll's writings about Song of Songs and what Jessica Johnson has called "biblical porn" you can read through an extensive amount of material over here:
http://wenatcheethehatchet.blogspot.com/search/label/mark%20driscoll%20and%20the%20influence%20of%20porn

As Roys has reported, James MacDonald got himself in some trouble, and also gave some assistance to Driscoll, which we've discussed a bit here.  Where the man is of note for Wenatchee The Hatchet is because MacDonald was with Mark Driscoll when Mark Driscoll decided to crash the Strange Fire conference.

http://wenatcheethehatchet.blogspot.com/2014/06/revisiting-time-where-mark-driscoll.html



Darrin Patrick ... he was the guy of whom Mark Driscoll said "He's my pastor, you know?" back in 2008.  That's a theme we'll have to come back to later in light of Mark Driscoll saying that there are guys with father wounds who surround themselves with older brother figures rather than father figures because if we go back and look at Mark Driscoll having Jamie Munson being executive pastor and president of the corporation that was once known as Mars Hill a person could be forgiven for having an impression that Mark Driscoll didn't necessarily even want "older brother" figures keeping him accountable if "younger brother" figures could work.  Darrin Patrick was born the month after Driscoll was, after all.  


Larry Osborne has stuck by Mark Driscoll.  MacDonald may or may not still be connected and it may or may not be that Patrick and Driscoll have stayed in touch.  For that matter it's not known whether Driscoll and Munson have spoken in years.  There could be any number of leaders from the Mars Hill days with whom Driscoll hasn't said much of anything.  Based on what Roys has reported Dave Bruskas has said to her, it could be there are any number of people with whom Driscoll is not observably in restored relationship, or relationship of any sort.

When the last time was that Mark Driscoll talked to the co-founders of Mars Hill Church would only be knowable, perhaps, to Mark Driscoll, Mike Gunn and Lief Moi.  

What's noteworthy about Osborne is not just his persistence on the MHC BOAA but that he was on the BOAA during the period in which it presented an explanation of the use of ResultSource to secure a No. 1 place on the New York Times bestseller list for Real Marriage.
https://web.archive.org/web/20140311063444/http://marshill.com/2014/03/07/a-note-from-our-board-of-advisors-accountability

...
Result Source
In 2011, outside counsel advised our marketing team to use Result Source to market the Real Marriage book and attain placement on the New York Times Bestseller list. While not uncommon or illegal, this unwise strategy is not one we had used before or since, and not one we will use again. The true cost of this endeavor was much less than what has been reported, and to be clear, all of the books purchased through this campaign have been given away or sold through normal channels. All monies from the sale of Pastor Mark’s books at Mars Hill bookstores have always gone to the church and Pastor Mark did not profit from the Real Marriage books sold either at the church or through the Result Source marketing campaign.

...
It wasn't illegal or unethical but it was unwise. 

Osborne was part of the BoAA at the time the statement was provided. All of that may be necessary to keep in mind when Roys quotes Bruskas regarding Mark Driscoll in the present:

...
I asked Bruskas if he believed Driscoll was fit to serve in ministry and he replied, “Do I believe Mark is permanently disqualified, no—but presently, yes. If he hasn’t gone through a restoration process, then he should not be serving.”
Bruskas added that he’s heard Driscoll confess and express remorse for the things he did at Mars Hill. Yet to date, Bruskas says he hasn’t seen evidence of repentance and change. When asked what he thinks about Larry Osborne’s continued partnership with Driscoll, Bruskas said, “That’s perplexing to me.”...

In terms of connections to Leadership Network Driscoll's connection may go as far back as the late 1990s even if he may not have been personally interacting with Osborne much in those days.  

Driscoll and Osborne discussed governance and how power goes from the throne down not the pew up.  We looked at some length at that philosophy regarding power and looked at the governing document of the former Mars Hill Church.  In sum, Mark Driscoll had either complete formal corporate power over the church he was a member of or, should he have resigned his leadership role, he'd not be a member of Mars Hill Church.

https://wenatcheethehatchet.blogspot.com/2019/06/a-recent-exchange-between-warren.html

When Driscoll talks in more recent days about how there are guys with father wounds who want older brother figures and to not have to be accountable to real father figures Driscoll has, for those who wade deeply into the history of the governance of Mars Hill Church in corporate terms, arguably been the best case study of such a weakness regarding accountability.  Driscoll claimed that he agreed to the restoration plan the board came up with but then received some kind of oracle saying he was "released".  Despite the fact that Driscoll had said he wouldn't leave and wasn't going anywhere, by late 2014 he was "released" but he did not share this account until 2015.  Osborne, who was part of the BOAA possibly as far as its dissolution, could at least be in a position to clarify to Roys for the record if Mark Driscoll's account of agreeing with the restoration plan proposed by the board is accurate.  

Osborne's policy, by way of solidarity with the MHC BOAA during the plagiarism controversy of late 2013 and the Result Source controversy of early 2014 was to stand by his man.  That Driscoll went back and fixed citation errors in his books could be commended if Mark Driscoll could admit that there were so many citation errors in his books that they needed to be corrected.  Adding a note of thanks in Real Marriage regarding the debt Mark and Grace Driscoll have had to the work of Dan Allender, for instance, raises a new problem--if Grace Driscoll (or, if applicable, a ghostwriter) claimed that there were basically no resources at Mars Hill to help victims of sexual abuse then if Dan Allender's work was known and used by Mark and Grace Driscoll then how, exactly, can it be true to say that Mars Hill had no resources?  It's possible to argue, based on statements made by former biblical living pastor James Noriega that there was a philosophy within Mars Hill leadership that aspired to have it so that no one would ever need to make use of resources that were not specifically developed within Mars Hill, but that's not the same thing as saying there were no resources when Grace Driscoll shared with her husband she had been abused.  

Nor can we just ignore that Mark Driscoll claimed that he and Grace were both virgins when they met in an interview with Christianity Today despite the fact that both attested they were not virgins in the text of Real Marriage itself.

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2012/januaryweb-only/mark-driscoll-sex-marriage.html
Interview by Katelyn Beaty and Marlena Graves/ January 5, 2012
...
Is there tension in teaching sexual purity before marriage while encouraging frequent and wonderful sex within marriage?

M: No, and for us, we sinned, quite frankly. We were virgins when we met and were sleeping together as high-school boyfriend and girlfriend. Then Grace came back to Christ, and I came to Christ in college, so we had to stop sinning sexually. I'd say if we both could go back and rewrite history and change one thing, that would probably be the thing we would change. [emphasis added] But we did repent and met with our pastor. And then we did get married, between our junior and senior years of college


Real Marriage
Mark and Grace Driscoll
Copyright (c) 2012 by On Mission, LLC
Thomas Nelson
ISBN 978-1-4002-0383-3
ISBN 978-1-4041-8352-0 (IE)



Page 7
Neither Grace nor I was a virgin when we met, and before long we were dating and sleeping together, which continued even after she went off to college while I was finishing high school.
Now it's possible that after giving so many interviews a person can forget something as basic as whether or not one was a virgin at the time of meeting the person who would become one's spouse but the conditions under which such forgetfulness seem most probable involve significant breakdown of mental acuity and function.  Another possibility is that answering interview questions can become a kind of performance art in which the answer is tailored to the recipient, although some might say that risks being deceptive, depending on what answer is given.

Mark Driscoll would at times in his Mars Hill days say "We broke some rules, but God is faithful."  In the wake of the controversies surrounding his leadership style and decisions made on behalf of his brand name recognition in contrast to the reputational welfare of what used to be Mars Hill Church, it can seem as though Mark Driscoll presents a cumulative story in which he's allowed to break rules and there is "grace" for him that has not, was not, and presently unlikely to be extended to others within his orbit.  One of Mark Driscoll's complaints in Real Marriage was that sometimes there would be Christian counselors but they would turn out to have marriages as bad as the one Mark felt he had so they weren't qualified to help.  Yet year after year Mark Driscoll counseled married couples and that gets at one of the core difficulties with Driscoll continuing in ministry that isn't really a thing you can reduce down to a zippy single sentence observation--you can "say" that Mark Driscoll's trouble has been that he operates on the basis of double standardized tests where he receives grace and people who cross him get put in the woodchipper, but it's the sum of the life that has to be observed first.  

Yet a  man who can't consistently establish for the record whether or not he was a virgin when he started dating the woman who would become his wife is someone who we should not trust simply because he says God told him he was supposed to be a pastor or that he's been "released" from ministry at Mars Hill Church.  The trouble with that claim is that even if we take it at face value, the most prominent case of a man being appointed by God to be a leader of God's people who was then "released" from that leadership role would be someone like King Saul.  

POSTSCRIPT
10-30-2019
9.22pm

Should Roys want to compare notes on what she's found on the James MacDonald side with what Wenatchee The Hatchet has been documenting on the Mars Hill/Mark Driscoll side, comparing notes would be interesting.  Osborne seems to be more significant a figure in the history of Mars Hill than any of us were able to grasp at the time and Osborne's continued support of Driscoll does raise a number of questions as to how much Osborne knows about the 2007 period or about the accuracy of Mark Driscoll's account to Brian Houston that Mark agreed to submit to the restoration plan but was then "released" according to some kind of oracle experience.  Documents from the time of Driscoll's 2014 resignation indicate surprise and disappointment on the part of the boards of Mars Hill.  Was Osborne surprised?  If not, why not?  

With the Result Source contract having been signed by Sutton Turner years ago Osborne, as a former member of the Mars Hill Board of Advisors and Accountability, could perhaps field a statement to Roys about what his thoughts on that decision were.  Turner has stated for the record he had issues with the plan but decided to sign the contract because if he didn't someone else would.  That invites a question as to who that someone else could have or would have been but that's arguably also moot.  

One thing that becomes clearer is that if Mark Driscoll were to decide to make a complete break with everything to do with his past with Mars Hill a break from Osborne might, eventually, be necessary.  Osborne's role on the MHC BOAA in its final years was too readily documented for both men to completely avoid the questions that can come up about Result Source, the plagiarism controversy and how and why they believe or believed Mark Driscoll was not found unqualified to serve in pastoral ministry on the basis of either of those controversies.   

Saturday, June 22, 2019

an exchange between Warren Throckmorton and Justin Dean on Twitter, and a Driscoll discussion of governance as "throne down, not pew up" may (actually) shed new light on Driscoll's 2014 resignation decision


Longtime readers of Wenatchee The Hatchet will understand that one of the things I basically refuse to do is to present things as simple when I don’t think they are simple.  No one is likely to truly learn anything if they are told the “bottom line” version without needed history and nuance.  I may be nuanced to a fault.  A friend of mine once told me that I can see more and finer shades of gray than just about anyone he has ever known in his life.  That means, perhaps, I write extravagantly long posts about things that test the patience of internet-era readers.  This is going to be another one of those kinds of posts.  Wenatchee The Hatchet as a general rule refuses to write for the TL:DR sort of reader.  If you're up for it, prepare to read about 8,100 words.

It was recently brought to my attention that Mark Driscoll talked about church governance at a conference recently.  We’ll get to that.  But there’s something else that caught my eye.  Warren Throckmorton and Justin Dean had some exchanges on Twitter.  I believe that that is the topic we need to look at first because Dean shared some things that I believe may illuminate the history of the late Mars Hill in ways that have not come to light before. 

So we turn to the recent exchanges on Twitter. 

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Did you see a final report which said he was qualified to preach? He was rebuked as being in persistent sin and was supposed to enter a restoration plan but resigned before he did so.
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 Justin Dean‏ @justinjdean

Replying to @wthrockmorton @dawirice and 4 others
Yes the report said he was not disqualified as an elder but was found to have a pattern of arrogance so they wanted him to step down from management, get help for the arrogance, but still be the preaching pastor... then the 15 lead pastors would be in charge.
1:25 PM - 22 Jun 2019
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Replying to @wthrockmorton @dawirice and 4 others
Yes he said he and Grace prayed in separate rooms and both felt God wanted him to quit so he did. He was never found unqualified. They wanted him to continue preaching, but not lead the church or staff. Had he stayed he would have been removed from managing.

1:16 PM - 22 Jun 2019



Yes the report said he was not disqualified as an elder but was found to have a pattern of arrogance so they wanted him to step down from management, get help for the arrogance, but still be the preaching pastor... then the 15 lead pastors would be in charge.

1:25 PM - 22 Jun 2019

Now for those who don’t know that Justin Dean wrote and published a book about public relations and media relations in contemporary church life PR Matters is on the market and I wrote a review of the book.  There are also two preludes to the review which are important for getting a clearer historical sense of how many public relations and media crises Mars Hill PR was dealing with from roughly late 2011 up until the end of Mars Hill Church. 


One of the things that has to be kept in mind is that Mark Driscoll resigned rather than enter into a restoration plan.  This is still a bit mysterious years later, because while Justin Dean recounted that Mark and Grace Driscoll prayed in separate rooms and both felt God had released them from ministry, we’ll see that Mark Driscoll recounted that a … or the board governing Mars Hill proposed a restoration plan and that Mark Driscoll agreed to it.  If when preaching to others Mark Driscoll made a point of saying that you can’t just say “God told me” and expect people to find it binding Driscoll seems to have felt that he could do that for himself.



But in order to get a general sense of what happened let’s go back through the six accounts of how and why Mark Driscoll resigned from membership and leadership at Mars Hill Church in October 2014.


1. THE RESIGNATION LETTER ITSELF, ON GODLY MEN AND WOMEN ACROSS THE COUNTRY SOUGHT FOR COUNSEL
http://www.religionnews.com/?p=109053
 
October 14, 2014Michael Van Skaik
Chairman, Board of Advisors and Accountability
Mars Hill Church
Dear Michael:
 ...

Last week our Board of Overseers met for an extended period of time with Grace and me, thereby concluding the formal review of charges against me.
...That is why, after seeking the face and will of God, and seeking godly counsel from men and women across the country, we have concluded it would be best for the health of our family, and for the Mars Hill family, that we step aside from further ministry at the church we helped launch in 1996. [emphasis added] I will gladly work with you in the coming days on any details related to our separation.

The initial resignation letter featured Mark Driscoll explaining that the investigation that was going on did not feature any allegations of criminality or immorality or disqualifying sin.

The resignation letter itself stated that the Driscolls sought godly counsel from men and women across the country and concluded it would be best for the family and Mars Hill that Mark and Grace Driscoll step aside from further ministry at the church they helped launch in 1996. In this earliest account that’s all that’s said. There’s no mention of God being described as releasing Mark (or Grace) Driscoll from ministry at Mars Hill.  The account was that the Driscolls sought the face and will of God, and sought godly counsel from men and women across the country, and concluded that it would be best for the health of their family and for the health of the Mars Hill Church family to step aside from further ministry there. 

Now Justin Dean’s account was that Mars Hill leadership wanted Mark Driscoll to keep preaching and teaching but to step away from management of the church.  Since Driscoll was the president on the basis of the governing documents that was perhaps a lot to ask but, as we’ll see, Driscoll would later say he agreed to that.

Okay, that was the account available on October 14, 2014.   A day later the Mars Hill Board of Overseers published the following:

2. THE BOARD OF OVERSEERS ACCOUNT
On October 15, 2014 ... Mars Hill issued the following statement.

http://web.archive.org/web/20141016105922/https://marshill.com/2014/10/15/pastor-mark-driscolls-resignation
Pastor Mark Driscoll's Resignation
By: Mars Hill Church
Posted: Oct 15, 2014


On Tuesday, October 14, Pastor Mark Driscoll submitted his resignation as an elder and lead pastor of Mars Hill Church. The Board of Overseers has accepted that resignation [emphasis added] and is moving forward with planning for pastoral transition, recognizing the challenge of such a task in a church that has only known one pastor since its founding. We ask for prayer for the journey ahead.

As is well known, inside and outside of Mars Hill, Pastor Mark has been on a leave of absence for nearly two months while a group of elders investigated a series of formal charges brought against him. This investigation had only recently been concluded, following some 1,000 hours of research, interviewing more than 50 people and preparing 200 pages of information. This process was conducted in accordance with our church Bylaws and with Pastor Mark’s support and cooperation.
While a group of seven elders plus one member of the Board of Overseers was charged with conducting this investigation, the full Board of Overseers is charged with reaching any conclusions and issuing any findings.
...

Finally, Mark Driscoll was not asked to resign; indeed, we were surprised to receive his resignation letter. [emphasis added] While he can speak to his decision as he chooses, we would point to just two things from his letter. He noted that he had concluded “it would be best for the health of our family, and for the Mars Hill family, that we step aside from further ministry at the church.” Secondly, he specifically wanted to convey “to the wonderful members of the Mars Hill family, how deeply my family and I love them, thank them, and point them to their Senior Pastor, Jesus Christ, who has always been only good to us.”

Mars Hill Board of Overseers
Michael Van Skaik
Larry Osborne
Jon Phelps
Matt Rogers

So the resignation was a surprise to the board.  Whoever counseled Mark and Grace Driscoll as alluded to in the resignation letter of October 14, 2014 were, those godly men and women were apparently not on the BoAA or the BoO or the BoE.  In fact, an announcement issued at Mars Hill October 19 seems to indicate that by resigning Mark Driscoll chose to not participate in the restoration plan that was considered necessary for his return to formal ministry at Mars Hill. 


3. THE ANNOUNCEMENT THAT DRISCOLL HAD GRIVED THE BoE and BoO BY RESIGNING RATHER THAN SUBMIT TO RESTORATION PLAN
https://www.wthrockmorton.com/2014/10/19/mars-hill-church-board-of-elders-mark-driscoll-resigned-instead-of-enter-restoration-plan-to-deal/

http://wp.production.patheos.com/blogs/warrenthrockmorton/files/2014/10/Alex-Ghioni-Announcement.m4a
starting about 3:45 (for now the audio works, surprisingly)

The investigation of formal charges against Mark Driscoll has revealed patterns of persistent sin in the three areas disclosed in the previous letter by the Board of Overseers. In I Tim 5:20, it requires that an elder be rebuked for persistent sin. Our intention was to do this while providing a plan for his eventual restoration to leadership. The Board of Elders in agreement with the Board of Overseers are grieved, deeply grieved, that any process like that was lost to us when Mark Driscoll resigned in position and left the church. [emphasis added] Now is the time to move on and consider what God is calling us to next as a church as we participate in Jesus’ mission to make disciples in His name. Today begins a new chapter in the history of our church which has proceeded in one direction under one leadership for many years now, but I want you to understand this, God is our Father. That does not change. Jesus is the chief shepherd of the church and that has not changed.

The phrase “restoration to leadership” could have been construed as management of Mars Hill Church as a corporation with 501(c)3 status, possibly, or it could have been understood as a reference to preaching and teaching.  Whatever the sense of “restoration” was, the main statement was that by choosing to resign rather than agree to the restoration plan the possibility of restoration was made moot.

So if it was no one inside of Mars Hill whose counsel prompted Mark and Grace Driscoll to resign in advance of participating in a restoration plan, has anyone got any ideas who DID say something?

According to Robert Morris, it was he who conferred with Mark Driscoll that it would be wise if he stepped away from ministry.

4. ROBERT MORRIS EXPLAINS ON 10-20-2014 THAT HE AND MARK DRISCOLL AGREED HE SHOULD STEP DOWN
http://wp.production.patheos.com/blogs/warrenthrockmorton/files/2014/10/Transcript-Robert-Morris-Mark-Driscoll.pdf
since Patheos dropped Throckmorton’s blog if you want to see the statement you should be able to find it in the first minute of footage here:



Transcript of Robert Morris and Mark Driscoll from the Gateway Leadership + Worship Conference
on the evening of Monday, October 20, 2014, as broadcast live via DayStar Television:

Robert Morris: [0:29]  Uh, it was publicized that we cancelled him; that’s not true, we did not cancel. I’m speaking of Mark Driscoll. We did not cancel him. He and I decided together uh that he was going to step out of ministry for a season and get some healing. … [emphasis added]


5. THRIVE 2015 PERFORMANCE, MARK DRISCOLL CLAIMS GOD RELEASED HIM AND GRACE DRISCOLL FROM RESPONSIBILITY TO MINISTRY

Then in 2015, at the Thrive performance, Mark Driscoll introduced a previously unmentioned narrative element, a direct divine edict. Driscoll could have told his inner circle of associates about this the day he says the incident happened but, with the current record being what it is, it was not entered into the public record as an element in any account of how and why Mark Driscoll resigned from being president of Mars Hill and a pastor and a member there until May 2015, when he was speaking at the Thrive Conference.

http://wenatcheethehatchet.blogspot.com/2015/05/courtesy-throckmorton-thrive-transcript.html
https://www.wthrockmorton.com/2015/05/13/transcript-of-mark-driscolls-speech-at-the-thrive-leadership-conference-2015/

https://www.wthrockmorton.com/2015/05/03/audio-of-mark-driscolls-speech-at-thrive-2015-leadership-conference/ [this no longer has functional audio but is mentioned for archival purposes]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wYBTnRpPHRb8N1nqtgP2FcHcdnBeMIqCYy2SyQCEWBg/edit
Transcript | Mark Driscoll | Thrive 2015-05-01
See Links to Timestamps at the end of this doc. [these omitted here]

...

[6:34 in audio file]

It finally came to the point where God released my wife and I from our responsibility to ministry. He spoke to us audibly. It wasn’t what we were expecting. It wasn’t what we had agreed to. We were both pretty shocked and the announcement was going to come out that week. [emphasis added] And, uh, our server, our e-mail and things apparently were hacked and there was no way to get anything done without it being a public situation. And so the Board, which are good, godly people in authority, which I appreciate -- they released a statement earlier than we were anticipating, so um, but that meant, and I agree with that decision, I’m not critical of it.  But that meant that I hadn’t told my kids that I had resigned and they were in school, taking test, it was a test week, …. we threw some stuff in a bag and ran to school to grab the kids and within minutes it was on TV, I think it was on CNN.  [emphasis added]We pulled the kids out of school, and they already knew because of social media -- media moves so fast.  So we told them they couldn’t go back to the house for a few days so we jumped in the car and went to a hotel and it was just kind of a emotionally wrecked.  We’d served in that city for 20 years.  Founded that church in our living room. And served it for 18 years.  (loud applause) Baptized somewhere in the neighborhood of 10,000 people. (audible amens from crowd). 

[8:13]
So, we’re sitting with the kids explaining to them that dad had resigned and that we were going to continue forward and that God had released us very clearly.  And my middle son -- he is really the pastor’s heart of the family, he’s a shepherd -- his first question, I just lost it, he said “Who’s going to care for the people?” We stayed there for a few days. Drove them into school for their tests. I went home and checked the security footage and yeah, there was a lot of people at our house taking photos.  It was a good thing we weren’t there.  We finally came home.

So in the Thrive account the board released the resignation letter statement sooner than anticipated.  Driscoll emphasized that the trouble the swift release of the October 14, 2014 resignation letter was that Mark and Grace Driscoll had not yet told the Driscoll kids Mark had resigned and the kids were in school.  

CNN was it?  When did CNN cover the resignation?
Let's pull that up
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2014/10/15/mark-driscoll-top-megachurch-pastor-resigns/
October 15, 2014 at 4:33pm.

and RNS also covered the resignation October 15. 
http://www.religionnews.com/2014/10/15/exclusive-mark-driscoll-resigns-from-mars-hill-church/
http://www.religionnews.com/2014/10/15/exclusive-mark-driscolls-resignation-letter-to-mars-hill-church/
c.f. HuffPo
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/15/mark-driscoll-resigns_n_5991998.html

The story seems to have broken about 3pm October 15.  And, of course
https://marshill.com/2014/10/15/pastor-mark-driscolls-resignation
http://web.archive.org/web/20141016105922/https://marshill.com/2014/10/15/pastor-mark-driscolls-resignation

So threading all the accounts together, Mark Driscoll seems to have drafted the letter Tuesday October 14.  It was submitted to the BoAA, who released it to the public and RNS published the resignation letter October 15.  In the Thrive presentation Mark Driscoll described that "within minutes" of going to get his kids, CNN was discussing his resignation.  It leads us to a remarkable little question that needs some narrative grounding.

Mark and Grace Driscoll told the Fab Five Poppa Daddy agreed to the restoration plan the Board proposed October 10th and/or 11th; and if by Mark and Grace Driscoll's account they heard from God they were released from ministry responsibility and able to quit on Monday, October 13; if the Driscolls consulted people on October 14th and Mark Driscoll wrote and sent his resignation letter that day; then when the media reported the resignation on October 15 there had been at least some time in there for Mark and Grace Driscoll have told their kids that Poppa Daddy had made the decision to quit, right?

If Mark Driscoll's story at the Thrive conference is true and the Houston story account shared by Mark and Grace Driscoll is true then the question to ask is why on earth they waited for their children to find out about Mark Driscoll's resignation the way they did rather than telling their own children Poppa Daddy and Mom heard audibly from God that they were released from ministry at Mars Hill and this meant they could quit, and to tell the kids first? The space between Monday evening and about 3:00pm October 15, 2015 PST gave them at least twenty-four hours, didn't it? No sitting the kids down the afternoon or evening of Tuesday, October 14, 2014 to break the news?  Could not the Driscolls have shared the news with their children FIRST and THEN sent off that letter to the BoAA?  

Still, if the Driscolls decided the best way for their kids to find out was some other way, okay.  Maybe the idea was the resignation letter would get sent off and the BoAA would just, I don't know, sit on it for at least a few days before releasing it to the press?  That might have given the Driscolls time to have told their children some time after October 14. It appears, however, that the kids found out via press coverage before their parents told them. 

The sixth available account of how and why Mark Driscoll resigned comes from an interview.

6. BRIAN HOUSTON INTERVIEW SUMMER 2015, MARK DRISCOLL CLAIMS HE HEARD "A TRAP HAS BEEN SET", RESIGNS AFTER SAYING HE AGREED TO RESTORATION PLAN

https://www.wthrockmorton.com/2015/06/29/hillsongs-brian-houston-interviewed-mark-and-grace-driscoll-after-all/
http://wp.production.patheos.com/blogs/warrenthrockmorton/files/2015/06/DriscollHillsong.mp4

on the resignation letter, this is a transcript of the audio, though thanks to coughing people and garbled voices and murmurs it's not always easy to make out every last little syllable. There may be some inaccuracies but the audio link is available.  Transcription is not necessarily one of Wenatchee The Hatchet's great gifts. 

39.45
I never got to say good-bye to the church and the people and so what went public was actually the resignation letter that went to the legal governing board that was in authority over me and so, uh, i uh, I know under the circumstances there wasn't a way to do that that would have been, uh, clean or easy. I don't have any criticism of the board. I think that, for the people, that there wasn't closure and I didn't, we didn't get to say anything.

And we didn't expect to resign. I met with the board. There was a whole list of things that were charged by current and former leaders and there was an internal governance struggle and threats of legal action that it got very complicated. And a lot of it was anonymous through the internet so you don't know who is saying or doing what. And so I invited the board to do a full examination, interview anybody, anything, and we would submit to whatever verdict that they determined. 

... When I think about eight weeks we met Friday and Saturday, October 10 and 11. I remember because the 11th was my birthday and so Grace and I were present with the board and they said: "We see in your history of leadership, less in more recent years but particularly in the past, pride, anger and a domineering leadership style." That would be the exact words they used.  "We don't see anything disqualifying. These are areas we want you to grow. We want you to leadership at the church soon." They wanted to do some clean up internally. "We want you back on January 4 in the pulpit, give you time to heal, things to cool down, and for some changes to be made."

We agreed to that. I sent in a go-forward plan and then we went home to have birthday cake with the kids. I think it was on Monday night. I was in the bedroom. Grace was in the living room. And so we told the board and told the kids, you know, we come back and ["will do"? garbled] preaching and try and love and serve and, and fix what was a struggling church and God had provided a way for us to do that as volunteers. And so our plan was to come back as volunteers. [emphases added]


42:10
And then on that Monday night I was in the bedroom, Grace was in the living room and he spoke to me and he spoke to her in a supernatural way that neither of anticipated or expected. Ah, and so Grace walked in and she said, "I feel like the Lord just spoke to me and said what we're supposed to do." and I said "I feel like the Lord spoke to me and said what we're supposed to do." It's not what we wanted; it's not what we agreed to; it's not what we've planned for. And so I asked her, "Well, what did the Lord say to you?" cuz I didn't wanna influence and she said, uh, she said we're [Grace Driscoll speaks but it's low and indistinct, Driscoll pauses a moment and is urged to continue by Houston] "The Lord revealed to me that , you know, a trap has been set, there's, there's no way, chance we can return to leadership" and I didn't know what that meant or what was going on at the time.  And I'm, I said, [garbled] "We need to resign". [emphases added] So this is not what we anticipated and a lot of people've thought, you know, "maybe he's another plan" but we didn't. We didn't know what we were doing.

And Grace fell to the floor and she was just sobbing uncontrollably and I'd never seen my wife like that. She was devastated. So we prayed and slept on it and decided we would make sure we got this right. Talked to pastors, those that we trust and sent in our resignation then on, it would have been Tuesday.
...


Based on the Houston interview, Driscoll initiated a review process for himself by telling the board (BoO? BoE? BoE as surrogate) to check whether he was not fit for ministry.  On the weekend of his birthday, or his birthday, he met with the board.  The board said there was nothing disqualifying him for ministry but they wanted him to participate in a restoration plan.  By Driscoll's account he agreed to this and he and Grace explained to their kids what was going to happen.  That is all spelled out in the Houston interview.  

Now what seems to have happened next was the Monday after the meeting, Driscoll stated he heard a voice.  The way he described it at Thrive was he was released from responsibility to serve in ministry at Mars Hill.  In the Houston interview the story is more detailed and Driscoll mentioned hearing a voice that said "a trap has been set".  There's another transcript that can be consulted now, over here:
http://hillsongchurchwatch.com/2015/07/14/transcript-of-brian-houstons-nice-interview-with-mark-grace-driscoll-2/

In this newer account the Driscolls describe "we're released" (Grace Driscoll) and "a trap has been set and they could not return to ministry.  Since the Hillsong focused blog features a much longer transcript that captured more of the statements we'll refer to that some:

… so I asked her well what did the Lord say to you because I didn’t want to influence her and so she said, uh, she said we’re” (39:45-42:42)
Grace Driscoll: “We’re released.” (42:43)
Brian Houston: “We can take a moment.” (42:52)
Mark Driscoll: “So, she said well what have you heard so I can hear it. “Well the Lord revealed to me that, you know, a trap has been set there’s no way in which to return to leadership.” And I didn’t know what that meant or what was going on at the time. And um, I said, he said well release too we need to resign. And so, um, you know, this is not what we anticipated, and uh a lot of people thought you know, maybe he’s got another plan, or, we didn’t. We didn’t know what we were doing. And Grace fell to the floor and she was just sobbing uncontrollably and I’ve never seen my wife like that she was devastated. Um, so we prayed and slept on it decided that we would make sure we got this right, and uh.”
Grace Driscoll: “Speak with wise council.”
Mark Driscoll: “Sought the pastors of those we trust and sent in our resignation in on that, it would’ve been that Tuesday, yeah, and resigned.” (42:53-43:57)


Now this comes across as though the Driscolls say they heard God release them from ministry Monday night.  They decided to sleep on it and Grace mentioned "wise council" Mark Driscoll mentioned "sought the pastors of those we trust".  So if they "slept on it" Monday night, this would have been Tuesday that they sought the council and consideration of other pastors, although if they were sure a voice from God told them they could quit what confirmation they would need or want seems moot.

There have been other accounts that allude to the resignation period but they do not necessarily add much by way of information about the resignations.  In an interview with Larry Osborne Mark Driscoll stated he met with thirtysome former leaders.


uploaded November 16, 2016

092816 400 Gathering Session 1


50:10
Driscoll: um, I met with thirtysome former leaders that would be sort of in the unhappy, disgruntled, frustrated category and almost every single conversation post my-resignation and transition, it's almost like it was a script, and they said the same thing which, I don't know if they were processing together, it's just where it ended up.  And it was, "I can't forgive you because you're not repentant."

And I'd say, "Well, I apologized" and I would give the dates that I apologized with them, one, on multiple occasions I said, "Did I ever do that again?"

"No, you didn't not but I can't forgive you because you've not repented."

I asked, "Well, what does repentance look like?"

50:54
And over and over and over it was repentance--forgiveness, rather--forgiveness is at the END of the process, not the beginning and then I will JUDGE you and I can't forgive you until you're repentant and that means that I kind of sit in a God seat, and I need to give it a lot of time, and I can't forgive you until I believe you have come to full repentance as I see it. [emphasis added]

Now Driscoll has indicated in some interviews and statements in the past he apologized for stuff he said and did.  Since public memory can be short-lived, it might be worthwhile to remember what, exactly, Driscoll admitted to doing. There was an interview about April 2017 in which Driscoll was asked point blank why so many people seemed to be angry with him.  If you haven’t read that … :

CONFESSIONS OF A REFORMISSION REV
Mark Driscoll,  Zondervan
copyright (c) 2006 by Mark Driscoll
ISBN-13: 978-0-310-27016-4
ISBN-10:0-310-27016-2
CHAPTER FIVE: JESUS, WHY AM I GETTING FATTER AND MEANER?
350-1,000 people

At this time, our church also started an unmoderated discussion board on our website, called Midrash, and it was being inundated with postings by emerging-church type feminists and liberals. I went onto the site and posted as William Wallace II, after the great Scottish man portrayed in the movie Braveheart, and attacked those who were posting. It got insane, and thousands of posts were being made each day until it was discovered that it was me raging like a madman under the guise of a movie character. One guy got so mad that he actually showed up at my house to fight me one night around 3 a.m. [emphasis added]


Had Mark Driscoll simply opted not to write as William Wallace II in the way that he did nobody would have felt like fighting with him at 3 a.m. What he chose to write as William Wallace II featured the opening salvo of “Pussified Nation” and also the following:

http://wenatcheethehatchet.blogspot.com/2014/08/william-wallace-ii-and-pussified-nation.html
William Wallace II  Member 
posted 01-06-2001 09:01 PM     
William Wallace II     

I love to fight. It's good to fight. Fighting is what we used to do before we all became pussified. Fighting is a lost art form. Fighting is cheaper than medication and more effective than counseling. Fighting always wins over compromise. Fighting is what passionate people do instead of killing. So log on, fight away. And if you are reading this and talking to yourself log on you coward and get in the ring.

So when Robison asked Mark Driscoll repeatedly:

Randy: Why are they so mad at you?

Notice how Driscoll’s response stayed on story rather than the topic of the question.

Mark: Well, it was from one of the police officers, I don't know if he was at Seattle S.P.D. but for high alert Sundays where there was protest or there was danger. And the kids knew on those days come in and out with police escort.

Randy: Why? Why were they so mad at you?

Mark: You know I'm a really lovely guy so I just don't know.

In the end Driscoll claimed to just not know why so many people would have gotten so angry at him.  Sure, in his “Mars Hill bus” comment he ended with an observation that he’d read enough of the New Testament to know that sometimes Paul had to put people through the wood chipper but that couldn’t possibly have had anything to do with why anyone might have come to dislike him.

It may have been that people came to distrust him after he ended up being embroiled in a controversy about the extent to which the first editions of many of his books showed evidence of plagiarized work, discussed extensively by Warren Throckmorton at his blog.  For that matter, an early chronicle of evidence that there was use of another author’s work without attribution was here at Wenatchee The Hatchet.  Second editions of Driscoll books have amended notes and copy, to be sure, but in the midst of the plagiarism controversy a Mars Hill public relations response included mention of research assistant help that came across to some as diffusing responsibility for what looked to be plagiarism that just had Mark Driscoll’s name on it. 

That a Docent Group writer contributed research to Mars Hill that was passed off as Driscoll’s work has been discussed here.  If Mars Hill had a history of presenting the work of research assistants as the work of Mark Driscoll and also demonstrated a capacity to shift or share blame for Driscoll’s citation errors with Docent designated aid then one of the reasons people could be mad at Mark Driscoll would have been because when he was initially embroiled in a plagiarism controversy he conceded maybe he might have made a mistake but MH PR opened up the possibility that if there was any plagiarism it wasn’t his fault but the fault of some assistant.  That doesn’t come across as a very good demonstration of “headship”, which, as Mark Driscoll used to put it, means that it’s your responsibility even if it isn’t your fault.  Mars Hill’s public relations response to the immediate aftermath of Janet Mefferd’s plagiarism allegations made it seem as though the Mars Hill idea of headship was that, perhaps, it was someone else’s fault even if officially the authorship of materials in question was Mark Driscoll’s responsibility.

Then there was the discovery of the Result Source contract and how it was used to secure a place for Mark and Grace Driscoll’s Real Marriage on the New York Times bestseller list.


Although an anonymous commenter at the time said it didn’t seem like plagiarism in any literal sense the fact that the newer editions of Real Marriage now mention Dan Allender at all suggests that at some point Mark and Grace Driscoll became convinced or, perhaps it could be said they felt convicted, to credit Allender with formulating ideas they found valuable.  Given the extent to which it was eventually revealed that materials credited to Mark Driscoll were not written by him …


Replying to @justinjdean @dawirice and 4 others
I stand corrected. He did star in such a post - https://www.wthrockmorton.com/2014/08/02/driscollpnapology/ …. Now truth or dare: How much of that did you write?

12:45 PM - 22 Jun 2019





Replying to @wthrockmorton @dawirice and 4 others
For the sake of transparency, I'm pretty sure I wrote most of that... not that it's relevant. That's what a good church communications director does, helps their pastor articulate their message well. He still said it, backed it, and took the heat for it.

12:48 PM - 22 Jun 2019

It’s probably no longer a safe assumption to assume that anything with Grace Driscoll’s name on it is automatically material Grace Driscoll wrote.  Ghostwriting is not unheard of in popular level publishing, after all.  So it’s relevant that other people wrote statements made on behalf of Mark Driscoll inasmuch as there was a history of Mars Hill public relations shifting or diffusing blame to research assistants in the days following Janet Mefferd’s interview with Mark Driscoll in 2013 where she said he was guilty of plagiarism.  People who have not personally felt thrown under the bus by leadership at Mars Hill might not feel that’s an important distinction but it’s something that should be considered. 

Mark Driscoll’s persona as it developed in the late 1990s was of a raw and authentic straight-talker.  To borrow a term used by Alastair Roberts to describe other kinds of Christian authors, Mark Driscoll’s initial appeal was less as an authority as such than as a “super peer”.  Go back and read the old Mother Jones article and perhaps it will be easier to understand, but Mark Driscoll presented himself as a raw and unvarnished straight talker.  That in the later phases of Mars Hill statements were written for him can be seen as doing considerable damage to that persona.  Docent Group writers and researchers seem, generally, to have an understanding that they help pastors put together material rather than that they will end up being ghostwriters.  It is important to understand this distinction when assessing how and why people became angry with Mark Driscoll who once were at Mars Hill and serving.  The more things came to light between 2013 and late 2014 the more it seemed that Mark Driscoll was not who he had been saying he was; to put it another way, for those who were at Mars Hill from the 1998 to 2008 period it began to seem that Driscoll had slowly and potently transformed into nearly everything he’d warned us from the pulpit to distrust in professional preachers.  This is a point that, to this day, it may be that Justin Dean doesn’t understand.


Lastly, the more useful you are to God and his work, the more attacks you’ll get. Unfortunately they’ll mostly be from other Christians.

It was other Christians that brought down Mars Hill Church. The world just watched in awe and clapped.

5:09 PM - 22 Jun 2019 from Georgia, USA

In PR Matters the impression Dean gives is that Mars Hill was not up to handling the constant barrage of hostile secular and liberal press coverage over the years so it’s possible the demise of Mars Hill was a very complex and yet also a rapid and volatile process, because on Twitter Dean presents Mars Hill as being brought down not by secular or liberal press coverage as such but by other Christians. 

But a Christian could at least entertain the possibility that God chose to destroy Mars Hill Church because its leadership betrayed all the ideals they used to stand for and had become an insular and self-serving empire of branding more than a church. 

Now there’s something to keep in mind about all that has been discussed so far.  Justin Dean’s account basically seems to match the variety of accounts Mark Driscoll and others gave about the nature of Mark Driscoll’s decision to resign from leadership at Mars Hill Church and from membership.  Dean’s account adds that Driscoll was offered a restoration plan in which he would preach and teach but not be in management of Mars Hill. 

When Mark Driscoll recounted, "The Lord revealed to me that, you know, a trap has been set, there's, there's no way, chance we can return to leadership" and I didn't know what that meant or what was going on at the time.” he never explained what that trap was.  Who set the trap?  On the one hand it seems that it can’t have been the board, because Driscoll said he agreed to their plan and recounted how he and his wife told their kids they agreed to the plan.  So Driscoll’s own testimony would seem to rule that out. 

Then again, Dean’s account was that the leaders offered Driscoll a chance to be a preacher and teacher but as someone who would not be in management of Mars Hill as a corporate entity.  This is, as far as it goes, actually a new bit of information.  If we can assume it is accurate and, at the moment, it seems to cohere with everything we’ve seen so far, then it may add to the previously hazy sense Mark Driscoll gave about his resignation in the context of agreeing to a plan proposed by the board that he then reneged on by way of resignation.  We know that Robert Morris said his counsel to Driscoll was that Mark should resign and heal up.  We also know from the resignation letter that Mark Driscoll mentioned seeking godly counsel from men and women.  Whether they knew about the restoration plan in which Mark Driscoll would preach and teach but not manage the corporation we cannot know for certain.  But what we can establish from the variety of testimonies available is that Driscoll was offered a non-management way to return to preaching and teaching and that, at first, he agreed to it, and then he declined it. 

During a June 2019 event Mark Driscoll gave an interview where he discussed church governance, an interview that is worth quoting from.


05:05:04

I think a big emerging issue for the church is governance.  Because of all the legal liabilities that we got regarding marriage and gender and litigation. In addition, I think, the governance issue is really big because now as churches are going multisite that requires a more apostolic format of government. Any time you have trans-local and not just local leaders and so our first one did not have any sort of trans-local or apostolic level of leadership. I've since been spending some good time with Pastor Robert Morris and Pastor Jimmy Evans who I love very much. They're serving on my board at our church as founding overseers but a lot of what the work is coming out of Gateway and networks like that is helping to reset governance for churches and I think governance is like a pot for a plant. If the plant's too small, excuse me, if the pot's too small, the plant gets rootbound and it can't grow. 

05:05:03
And so if the governance is LARGE enough it gives enough room for the leadership and the Holy Spirit to grow something that's more fruitful. So I think, a lot of times, they want more fruit but they've got the wrong pot.  And that's governance. And once you get the right pot you can have a more fruitful harvest.


05:08:17

So, governance is always two things. It's singular headship and plural leadership. And, and to me on the governance issue, so, the kingdom of God is, quite frankly, just a governance issue. We talk a lot about the kingdom of God. It's a governance issue. There's a king who establishes a kingdom and what God had in Heaven was a singular headship, plural leadership governance structure. The Father, Son and Spirit are the plural leaders. The Father is the singular head. And then Satan has a governance war in Heaven.  He really wants to upend the governance and he wants to overthrow.  He loses, gets cast down to earth. He immediately goes after Adam because Adam is the head of the human race. Jesus shows up. He goes after Jesus because Jesus is the head of the new covenant.  He goes after Peter because Peter is the head of the disciples and so Jesus says "Satan has asked to sift you as wheat but I have prayed for you."  

05:09:09

So there's ALWAYS a governance war, and the governance war is always the one that was lost by Satan in heaven being replayed out in churches, families, missions and networks.  So, ultimately, governance is a demonic foothold and ultimately--you look it, too, like,  the end of the book of Revelation ... 05:09:41 and the war in all of human history is "Who gets to sit on that throne?"  That's really the governance war.   And, you know, what I like to say as well, been doing some work on this theologically ... 05:09:55 I believe God has a governance in two realms. I believe He has a spiritual family, not just of angelic beings but  what the Bible call the heavenly hosts, the divine counsel, the sons of God and He works through them.  And then He has a human family and He works through us. 
...

On governance at Scottsdale
05:12:10

I said singular headship, plural leadership.  But in that, as well, they run thrown down, not pew up. [emphasis added]  A lot of governance structures in churches are pew up. What do the people want? Let them vote. They will tell the leaders what to do. [interviewer says "Congregational governance"] Yeah. And if you get too big of a board you get a de facto congregational government.  Because those families constitute such a large percentage of the population within the church.  ...

What we’ve been able to establish is that Arizona records show that the new church has Mark Driscoll as its president and CEO


http://ecorp.azcc.gov/Details/Corp?corpId= 20491878
THE TRINITY CHURCH
MARK DRISCOLL PRESIDENT/CEO 
21001 N TATUM BLVD
STE 1630-434
PHOENIX, AZ 85050
11/20/2015 10/07/2016  

RANDALL TAYLOR DIRECTOR 
21001 N TATUM BLVD
STE 1630-434
PHOENIX, AZ 85050
11/20/2015 10/07/2016  

JIMMY EVANS DIRECTOR 
21001 N TATUM BLVD
STE 1630-434
PHOENIX, AZ 85050
11/20/2015 10/07/2016  

MARK DRISCOLL DIRECTOR 
21001 N TATUM BLVD
STE 1630-434
PHOENIX, AZ 85050
11/20/2015 10/07/2016

This might look like something that was the case of the former Mars Hill back in 2012.
https://wenatcheethehatchet.blogspot.com/2012/06/mars-hill-fellowship-whats-that.html
http://mobile.www.secstate.wa.gov/corps/search_detail.aspx?ubi=601677819

MARS HILL CHURCH
ubi Number: 601677819
Category: REG
Profit/Nonprofit: Nonprofit
Active/Inactive: Active
State of Incorporation: WA
Date of Incorporation 12/22/1995
Expiration Date 12/31/2012


Register Agent Information
John Sutton Turner
1411 NW 50th St
Seattle, WA 98107


Governing Persons:
President: Driscoll, Mark
Vice President: Bruskas, Dave
Treasurer: Turner, Sutton
Secretary: Turner, Sutton

If Mark Driscoll has been the president of the two churches he’s founded or co-founded, then here’s a question, a question that seems significant in light of Driscoll’s comments about church governance.

Justin Dean’s account via Twitter may illuminate things if we cross reference his comments to some of Mark Driscoll’s ideas on church governance and look back at his accounts of how and why he resigned.




Replying to @wthrockmorton @dawirice and 4 others
Yes he said he and Grace prayed in separate rooms and both felt God wanted him to quit so he did. He was never found unqualified. They wanted him to continue preaching, but not lead the church or staff. Had he stayed he would have been removed from managing.

1:16 PM - 22 Jun 2019



Yes the report said he was not disqualified as an elder but was found to have a pattern of arrogance so they wanted him to step down from management, get help for the arrogance, but still be the preaching pastor... then the 15 lead pastors would be in charge.

1:25 PM - 22 Jun 2019

Driscoll has said he was given an opportunity to keep preaching and teaching at Mars Hill but that he was going to have to step down from management.  Driscoll’s accounts since his resignation have indicated he agreed with the plan proposed by the board and then … then he resigned with some explanation of seeking godly counsel and Robert Morris has said for the record he advised Driscoll to resign and heal up and then in 2015 Driscoll began to share that he heard from God he was released from ministry and a trap had been set.  What on earth was the trap?  Well, all we have to go on from the statements made and the history provided is that Driscoll was given a restoration plan at Mars Hill wherein he would no longer be in management but would get to preach and teach that was offered by the governing board of Mars Hill.  That’s literally the only thing we’ve been told about in the history of the birth, life and death of the corporate entity that was known as Mars Hill Church that seems like a plausible candidate for whatever “a trap has been set” could refer to, even on the detail in which Driscoll claimed he heard there was “no way” he and Grace could return to ministry?  That doesn’t really make sense … unless it could be explicable by way of Driscoll referencing some possibility that once he was removed from management at Mars Hill the corporate entity there was no way he was likely to be perceived as sufficiently cured of arrogance to be given managerial control of the corporation he founded … or … the church he co-founded with Mike Gunn and Lief Moi with the support, so we were told decades ago, of Antioch Bible Church. 

Driscoll was, by the accounts given by himself (and more recently by Justin Dean and by other accounts by people associated with Mars Hill), cumulatively present a man who was offered a restoration plan that he initially accepted and then declined.  It wasn’t always clear what he was going to be restored to in 2014 but Dean’s comments this year and Driscoll’s comments in 2015 open up at least a possibility to consider, that Driscoll was told he was found too arrogant to remain in a managerial role at Mars Hill Church but that he could continue to preach and teach.  Initially, Mark Driscoll accepted this proposal and his 2015 account to Brian Houston was that he and his wife went to their kids and explained what the future path was going to be. 

But some time prior to the October 2014 resignation Driscoll began to seek wise counsel and at least one person, Robert Morris, said he advised Mark Driscoll, said that he and Mark Driscoll agreed, that Driscoll should resign and take time to heal up.  Driscoll would later state in 2015 that he heard God say he and Grace were “released” from ministry and also say that “a trap had been set”.  There had never been any clear or coherent potential explanation as to what “a trap” could even be but, cumulatively, it becomes possible, by collating comments from former Mars Hill leaders in the highest echelon, to arrive at a possible explanation.  Mark Driscoll was told he was not managerial material for the corporation he had built and that he had to step down, although he could retain his public role as preacher and teacher.  He agreed to it but then, as he put it, he sought wise counsel from godly men and women across the land.  Although at the time of resignation concern for safety of family was presented (and that’s a serious and legitimate concern), it is also possible, in light of Mark Driscoll’s recent talk about “throne down, not pew up” and his concern about governance that that was also a variable in his decision to resign from Mars Hill Church as president, leader, and member. 

If in Driscoll’s understanding of church governance and ecclesiology leadership is from the throne down and not the pew up, and if Justin Dean’s account is accurate that the Mars Hill Church governing board offered Mark Driscoll a restoration plan in which he would stop being in a managerial role and would preach, then the most plausible explanation for why Mark Driscoll resigned that takes all of his accounts as factual, face-value accounts is this: he decided that a church as a corporate entity in which he was not seated on the throne (as president and CEO) was not a church in which he would be a member. 

POSTSCRIPT 7-14-2019

If you want to get a clearer sense of the governance context in which Mark Driscoll decided to resign, here are some pertinent passages from the Mars Hill Church bylaws from 2012.

https://www.wthrockmorton.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/MHC-BYLAWS-1.pdf

Mars Hill Church 2012 bylaws

Article 7

Section 7.6. Removal. The primary preaching and teaching pastor for the Church may only be removed from the board of advisors & accountability if it is determined that he engaged in conduct which would disqualify him from service as an elder in the Church. This determination will be made pursuant to the procedure established in Article 12 of these Bylaws. The remaining members of the executive elder team may be removed from the board of advisors & accountability at any time for any reason upon a recommendation of removal by the primary preaching and teaching pastor for the Church and the approval of a majority of the board of advisors & accmmtability. If a member of the executive elder team is removed from his position on the board, he will also be deemed removed as a member of the executive elder team and as an officer of the Church. Any other member of the board of advisors & accountability may be removed by majority approval of the members of the board of advisors & accmmtability. In connection with any vote of the board of advisors & accountability pursuant to this Section 7.6,the member of the board of advisors & accountability being considered for removal shall not vote and shall not be taken into account for purposes of determining whether the required vote is obtained.

Section 7.7. Resignations. Subject at all times to the right of removal as provided in Section 7.6 and to the provisions of any employment agreement, any member of the board of advisors & accountability may at any time resign by giving notice in writing or by electronic transmission to the board of advisors &  accountability or the chairman of the board. Such resignation shall take effect at the time specified in such notice or, if the time be not specified, upon receipt of such notice; and, unless otherwise specified in such notice, the acceptance of such resignation shall not be necessary to make it effective. If a member of the executive elder team resigns from his position on the board of advisors & accountability, he will also be deemed to have resigned as a member of the executive elder team and as an officer of the Church.

It looks like the way the bylaws were written the president had an all or nothing kind of deal.  The president could resign or be removed but once the president was removed from, it seems, any position, he was removed from all other positions.  Clearly Driscoll chose to resign rather than be removed, although the wording as to how not unfit for ministry Driscoll was found to be for ministry now seems a bit vague.  If he was found ultimately not unfit for ministry why would he have been asked to step away from management when the bylaws that would have apparently been in effect at that point stipulated that being asked to step away from the BoAA or a managerial position meant loss of membership (go read the earlier articles).  Let's look at some of the other articles.

Article 9 

Section 9 .1. Election, Qualification. The primary preaching and teaching pastor for the Church shall serve as the president of the Church and shall have the authority to appoint other elders who are employed by the Church (or, if necessary to fill a vacancy while an individual completes the eldership process, a deacon) to fill other offices of the Church. The officers of the Church shall at a minimum include a president and a secretary. The president may also choose a chief operating officer, a chief financial officer, one or more vice presidents, a treasurer, one or more assistant secretaries and assistant treasurers and such other officers and agents as he shall deem necessary. Any number of offices may be held by the same person, unless the Articles of Incorporation or these Bylaws otherwise provide. The office of president and secretary may not be held by the same person.

Section 9.2. Term, Removal. The primary preaching and teaching pastor for the Church shall serve as the president of the Church until such time as he ceases to be a member of the executive elder team. Each other officer shall hold office until such officer's successor is appointed and qualified or until such officer's earlier resignation or removal. Any officer appointed by the president of the Church may be removed by the president of the Church at any time.

Section 9.3. Resignation. Subject at all times to the right of removal as provided in Section 9.2 and to the provisions of any employment agreement, any officer may resign at any time by giving notice to the board of advisors & accountability, the president, or the secretary of the Church. Any such resignation shall take effect at the date of receipt of such notice or at any later date specified provided that the president or, in the event of the resignation of the president, the board of advisors & accountability may designate an effective date for such resignation which is earlier than the date specified in such notice but which is not earlier than the date of receipt of such notice; and, unless otherwise specified in such notice, the acceptance of such resignation shall not be necessary to make it effective. If a member of the executive elder team resigns from his position as an officer of the Church, he will also be deemed to have resigned as a member of the executive elder team and the board of advisors & accountability.

Section 9.4. Vacancies. A vacancy in the office of president because of the death, resignation or removal of the primary preaching and teaching pastor shall be filled by the individual chosen to fill his vacancy on the board of advisors & accountability. A vacancy in any other office because of death, resignation, removal or any other cause may be filled in the manner prescribed in these Bylaws for appointment to such office.

Section 9.5: President. The president shall be the chief executive officer of the Church and shall, subject to the provisions of these Bylaws, (i) have general and active management of the affairs of the Church and have general supervision of its officers, agents and employees; (ii) in the absence of the chairman of the board, preside at all meetings of the full council of elders and the board of advisors & accountability; and (iii) perform those other duties incident to the office of president and as from time to time may be assigned to him by the board of advisors & accountability.

ARTICLE 12
BOARD OF OVERSEERS
Section 12.1. Constitution. In the event that a formal charge and/or accusation is made against the primary preaching and teaching pastor for the Church that, if investigated and found to be true, would disqualify him from his position as an elder in the Church based on the biblical requirements of an elder, the board of advisors & accountability shall refer the charge and/or accusation to the board of overseers. The board of overseers shall have authority to investigate any such charge and/or accusation. If the board of overseers determines that the charge and/or accusation is true, the board of overseers can vote to rebuke the primary preaching and teaching pastor or, if warranted, remove the primary preaching and teaching pastor as an elder of the Church (in which case he shall automatically be removed as a member of the board of advisors & accountability and his employment with the Church shall be terminated for cause under the terms and condition set forth in any employment agreement entered into between the primary preaching and teaching pastor for the Church and the Church).

That's a lot of formal power and a lot of combined elements.  It reads as though Driscoll was chief officer, president, preaching and teaching pastor, and a member of the executive elder team and the board of advisors & accountability and yet it reads as if, were he to be removed or regarded as not qualified for any one of these elements he would be removed from all of them, or a resignation from one automatically entailed resignation from all the others.  Driscoll's resignation rather than comply with a restoration plan makes a certain kind of sense based on the way the bylaws were written.  At least my understanding of the bylaws is that Mark Driscoll either had full legal power to run the corporation known as Mars Hill however he saw fit or he was going to be removed or resign and stop being a member in a governance-based way.   I wrote earlier that it appeared that Mark Driscoll made a decision that was reflective of an approach that held that he was either going to be on the throne at a church as a corporate entity or he wasn't even a member of that church.  Reviewing the bylaws from 2012 era Mars Hill it would seem that this was woven into the very fabric, the wording of the Mars Hill bylaws.