Saturday, December 15, 2018

Julie Roys article at WORLD mentions a 50k gift given by HBC/James MacDonald to Mark Driscoll to help launch of The Trinity Church, an overview of MacDonald's role in Mars Hill board leadership

WORLD coverage indicates


December 13, 2018
It is a sad day when once-credible Christian publications consider the opinions of a few disgruntled former members, already rehashed ad nauseam, of greater weight than the carefully expressed viewpoint of a plurality of local church Elders.

Harvest Bible Chapel has owned its mistakes and endured to become a happier and healthier church, whose members recently pledged — financially, in their walk/work for Christ, and in their promise to share Christ with others — at unprecedented levels. The anticipated attack that comes with God’s kingdom moving forward has come, sadly, not from those in the world but from other professing Christians.

We have chosen the high road and refused to engage in public assault on people we once served closely with who just can’t seem to ‘let it go,’ even after all these years. The Elders are privy to many grace-filled private attempts to reconcile, extended in hopes that these unhappy Christians would find peace.

Subsequent to the most vocal departures, the Elders of Harvest Bible Chapel designed a system of Elder government filled with meaningful accountability for staff and active involvement of volunteer Elders that exceeds in every way the former system filled with conflicts of interest and poor decision making.

Let’s remember — we have a godly, talented, dedicated staff with average tenure among top 10 leaders of more than 24 years, and a congregation focused on moving forward in the next 30 years to claim more ground for Christ. We praise God for the many faithful believers who refused to be interviewed for such an obviously biased effort and covet their prayers for our continued growth in grace and effectiveness.

We will continue to ‘owe no man anything except to love’ (Romans 13:8) and direct inquiries to Elder Updates on our website from the respective time periods, mostly 2012 and 2013.

Keep the concept of the carefully expressed  viewpoint of a plurality of local elders in mind as you go.  That will not be unfamiliar to people who at some point were part of what was formerly known as Mars Hill Church between 1996 and 2014. Having mentioned that concept as one to bear in mind, let’s move to the more literal news peg in the news cycle for what seems to be transpiring.

If the category of “once-credible Christian publications” is a reference to WORLD magazine that implicitly seems to mean that WORLD was a credible Christian publication at the time of publishing “Unreal sales for Driscoll’s Real Marriage” in 2014. Warren Cole Smith’s article from March 5, 2014 presented how Mars Hill arranged with Result Source to secure a number one position for Real Marriage on the New York Times bestseller list. The article should be accessible in the link below.

The “defendant” mentioned in the HBC statement appears to refer to the author of an article that was published at WORLD recently.  There is also a statement with responses to two media questions.

It is possible that there’s nothing that has been reported in the WORLD article that would be news to people attentively following events and persons associated with Harvest Bible Chapel. The article is available in the link below and is fairly long.


What follows are WORLD’s look at major points of contention and responses from MacDonald and Harvest leadership.

A RELATIVELY RECENT EXAMPLE of questionable practices involved the 2017 dissolution of Harvest Bible Fellowship (HBF), the church’s former church planting network of more than 150 independent churches. In a June 2017 email sent to HBF pastors, MacDonald notified them about “an important decision that I have come to over many months with my senior staff and Elders”—a decision to dissolve the church’s governance of the fellowship, effective immediately. However, in an elder update posted to Harvest’s website months later, the church’s elders admitted that MacDonald had acted without their approval, violating church bylaws. (They added that MacDonald had “expressed regret” and been “appropriately reprimanded.”)

MacDonald was vague in the 2017 email about the reason he was ending Harvest’s governance of HBF, but noted his attempt to “regionalize” the fellowship had placed him “under the weight of intolerable oppression.” But according to a leaked copy of a letter by David Wisen, a pastor at a former HBF church who participated in a July 2017 audit of HBF finances, the split occurred because HBF pastors believed Harvest had inappropriately used fellowship funds for its own purposes. (HBF was partly funded by member churches.) Wisen claimed Harvest owed HBF at least $1.8 million.

Bob Langdon, the former financial director of HBF who also participated in the audit, confirmed Wisen’s account. He said some of the items HBF paid for appeared to benefit Harvest Bible Chapel much more than the fellowship. For example, Langdon said HBF paid $500,000 for a church management systems upgrade that included new hardware for Harvest’s main campus in Elgin.

HBF also paid about $570,000 that Langdon said his boss, former Harvest Chief Financial Officer Fred Adams, had allocated for “overhead” and discretionary expenses. (Adams resigned at the end of 2017 and did not respond to a request for comment.) Langdon said those expenses included a percentage of the salaries for certain top Harvest Bible Chapel executives and a $50,000 donation to pastor Mark Driscoll’s Trinity Church in Scottsdale, Ariz. (Driscoll, a longtime friend of MacDonald’s, resigned from the former Mars Hill Church in Seattle in 2014 amid charges of domineering leadership.) Langdon said that during the audit, Wisen and auditors repeatedly asked Harvest executives to give justification for various HBF allocations “and there really wasn’t one.” [emphases added]

The audit resulted in an impasse between the two groups. According to Wisen, Harvest offered to pay the new entity of former HBF churches $2.5 million, but only if the group agreed to a “hush clause”—an agreement never to criticize Harvest publicly. Wisen, who was acting as the churches’ representative, said he rejected the offer. Most of the former HBF churches then formed an independent organization called the Great Commission Collective (GCC).

When asked about the situation, Harvest treasurer and elder Jeff Smith pointed WORLD to a late 2017 elder update where the elder board admitted HBF financial records were “incomplete” but said the church had made “appropriate changes.” The update asserted, “All monies given by HBF churches have been utilized solely for church-planting purposes and spent according to Elder-approved budgets.” It defended the church’s demand that GCC members not criticize the church, calling it a “reasonably requested commitment to ending hostility.” (Smith also said that a summer 2017 CapinCrouse audit of HBF spending found that all designated funds were “properly disbursed in accordance with the donor specification.”)
Now for those within the HBC orbit it may really be the case that there’s nothing in the Roys article people in that scene didn’t already know. For those in the Puget Sound area the report of a 50k donation to Mark Driscoll to help in the launch of The Trinity Church is news, however belated. 

This is not a literary effort to untangle what is going on in connection to Harvest Bible Chapel.  Rather, we’re reviewing the significance of James MacDonald’s role in the history of Mars Hill. The first thing that seems worthy of mention was that MacDonald was mentioned in a circa 2012 online statement from Mars Hill with respect to governance.

What accountability structure is in place for Pastor Mark?
Given that Pastor Mark serves as the most visible representative of Mars Hill Church, we have put in place an accountability structure that includes both internal accountability and external accountability. Internally, Pastor Mark is held accountable to every elder at Mars Hill Church, through the Executive Elder Team, the Full Council of Elders as well as the Board of Elders. He also has external accountability among church leaders outside of Mars Hill Church.
In the event that a formal charge and/or accusation is made against Pastor Mark that, if investigated and found to be true, would disqualify him from his position as an elder in Mars Hill Church, a group of five men consisting of both elders within Mars Hill Church and Christian leaders outside of Mars Hill Church, will investigate the charge or accusation and determine if it is true. This group currently consists of Jamie Munson, Dave Bruskas, James MacDonald, Darrin Patrick, and Larry Osborne. If the charge or accusation is found to be true, this group can rebuke Pastor Mark or, if warranted, remove him as an elder at Mars Hill Church. [emphases added] If Pastor Mark is removed as an elder, he automatically ceases to serve on the Board of Elders, on the Executive Elder Team, and as president of Mars Hill Church.

In the event that a formal charge or accusation was made against Mark Driscoll that, if investigated and found to be true … a group of five men consisting of both elders within Mars Hill Church and Christian leaders outside of Mars Hill Church would investigate the charge or accusation and determine if it was true.  There’s a circularity in the language that raises a question of what would have to be construed as true enough to be investigated and then, upon investigation, be considered true, but at the moment there is no Mars Hill Church so it may be moot.

What is not so moot is that in the last year of its existence Mars Hill Church was removed from membership in Acts 29.

for those who don’t recall, in the wake of Mark Driscoll crashing the Strange Fire conference to distribute copies of his then new book A Call to Resurgence, Driscoll ended up publishing a statement saying perhaps MacArthur would be open to meeting in person and inviting a meeting.

as we discussed at some length, there were some reasons to have some skepticism about the good faith in which the offer was extended given the accounts that said that Driscoll didn’t have much interest in meeting with people in Macarthur’s circle earlier.

But with respect to the intersection of Mars Hill Church and Harvest Bible Chapel the most significant observation to be made was that MacDonald was with Driscoll when Driscoll crashed the Strange Fire conference.

If there was room to be uncertain if James MacDonald was on the Mars Hill Board of Advisors and Accountability in October 2013 there was no room for doubt when Paul Tripp joined the BoAA in November 2013.

At Mars Hill Church, we love Jesus and our people very much. We also want to be good stewards with everyone and everything that Jesus has entrusted to us. With 15 churches across 5 states, 64 elders/pastors (27 unpaid), 54 elder/pastor candidates in process (nearly all unpaid), 614 deacons (517 unpaid) and roughly 1,000 Community Group leaders and apprentices of various kinds, we need all the wisdom we can get. In an effort to be accountable stewards, we have both internal leadership boards for wise counsel and accountability, as well as an external Board of Advisors and Accountability. The Board of Advisors and Accountability has three categories of responsibility:
·         Counsel—The Board assists and advises the Church on those matters where prudence requires and outside perspective.
·         Accountability—It provides support and outside objective oversight when needed.
·         Governance—The Board manages or directs the civil and business affairs of Mars Hill Church, as required of all 501(c)3 organizations.
In recent years, the Board of Advisors and Accountability has been an incredible source of wise counsel for which we are very grateful. We are so excited to announce that we have now added our friend Tripp who has accepted our invitation to join our Board of Advisors and Accountability! He is a great brother and partner in ministry. He preached at Mars Hill last the summer for our Best Sermon Ever series and brought the Word with power. Dr. Tripp has been teaching at Mars Hill for many years in various capacities, and we also greatly appreciate his writing ministry especially, Dangerous Calling.
In regards to his acceptance, Dr. Tripp says, “I have a deep respect and admiration for churches that preach a courageous and liberating gospel into the brokenness of the culture around them. Mars Hill is one of these churches and I am glad to use my gifts and experience to assist it in its gospel mission.”
Dr. Tripp joins the current Board members: Michael Van Skaik, Dr. James MacDonald, Dr. Larry Osborne, Mark Driscoll, Dave Bruskas, and Sutton Turner. This Board of Advisors and Accountability was voted upon and installed by an overwhelmingly supportive vote from the entire eldership, with every single elder who voted doing so in approval.
So MacDonald was, by November 2013, regarded as a then-current board member on the Mars Hill BoAA.  Joining Mark Driscoll on what was arguably a publicity stunt to promote A Call to Resurgence might not seem to fit within the categories of activity members of the BoAA would, nominally, have been expected to participate in. 

MacDonald was still on the BoAA when it issued a statement in response to the previously mentioned WORLD coverage of how Mars Hill used Result Source. 


For many years Mars Hill Church was led by a board of Elders, most of whom were in a vocational relationship with the church and thus not able to provide optimal objectivity. To eliminate conflicts of interest and set the church’s future on the best possible model of governance, a Board of Advisors and Accountability (BOAA) was established to set compensation, conduct performance reviews, approve the annual budget, and hold the newly formed Executive Elders accountable in all areas of local church leadership. This model is consistent with the best practices for governance established in the Evangelical Council for Financial Accountability standards. Mars Hill Church joined and has been a member in good standing with the ECFA since September of 2012.


In 2011, outside counsel advised our marketing team to use Result Source to market the Real Marriage book and attain placement on the New York Times Bestseller list. While not uncommon or illegal, this unwise strategy is not one we had used before or since, and not one we will use again. The true cost of this endeavor was much less than what has been reported, and to be clear, all of the books purchased through this campaign have been given away or sold through normal channels. All monies from the sale of Pastor Mark’s books at Mars Hill bookstores have always gone to the church and Pastor Mark did not profit from the Real Marriage books sold either at the church or through the Result Source marketing campaign.
To correct a statement in a recent article, Pastor Sutton Turner was the General Manager, not the Executive Pastor or Executive Elder as reported, at the time he signed with the referenced agreement with Result Source. In the time since this campaign we have established a new Executive Elder team, new Board of Advisors and Accountability, as well as a new marketing team.

Whatever investigations had been conducted by the BOAA regarding Mark Driscoll between apparently 2012 and mid-2014, those investigations would have involved some kind of participation and assessment on the part of James MacDonald.
That is, until August 2014.


Dr. Paul Tripp joined our Board of Advisors and Accountability in November 2013 and has been an immense help to our leaders over the past year. Dr. Tripp has extensive experience in discipleship and biblical counseling. Earlier this month, we made the decision together to open the opportunity for him to work with greater focus on issues directly related to his expertise, namely the continued development of our community and redemption ministries. Because simultaneously being a board member and a consultant does not allow for the required definition of independence, Dr. Tripp graciously submitted his resignation from the BOAA in early June so that he can more extensively serve our church as a consultant. We are excited to continue this work with him, and are thankful for his continued support of Mars Hill Church.
Similarly, Pastor James MacDonald informed the board at the July meeting of his decision to transition from his current role on the board pending his replacement. Pastor James has been a great help in forming the current board’s direction, and we are very grateful for his time and wisdom over the last several years. He said about this transition, “I have great love and affection for Mars Hill Church and I want to make clear this change is not because I am unhappy with Mark’s response to board accountability. On the contrary, I have found him to be exemplary in his current readiness to live under the BOAA oversight. I am not resigning because I doubt Mark’s sincerity in any way. I believe in Mark Driscoll and his heart to leverage difficult lessons [emphases added] in service to Christ and his church in the years ahead. I am excited to continue to support that trajectory as Mark’s friend, as I focus my efforts on Harvest Bible Fellowship.” [emphases added]
Considering these transitions, Pastor Mark shared, “I am thankful for the service of both Paul and James, two men I admire and respect. Their service on our board has been a blessing to me and Mars Hill Church in countless ways. The amount of hours they have given as volunteers is extraordinary, especially in light of their other ministry demands.” Candidates are currently being interviewed to replace these open board positions. They will be submitted before the Full Council of Elders for their approval as soon as possible.
Let’s go back and consider the earlier quoted WORLD article.  Note what MacDonald said he was hoping to focus on by way of no longer participating on the Mars Hill BOAA, Harvest Bible Fellowship. 

A RELATIVELY RECENT EXAMPLE of questionable practices involved the 2017 dissolution of Harvest Bible Fellowship (HBF), the church’s former church planting network of more than 150 independent churches. In a June 2017 email sent to HBF pastors, MacDonald notified them about “an important decision that I have come to over many months with my senior staff and Elders”—a decision to dissolve the church’s governance of the fellowship, effective immediately. However, in an elder update posted to Harvest’s website months later, the church’s elders admitted that MacDonald had acted without their approval, violating church bylaws. (They added that MacDonald had “expressed regret” and been “appropriately reprimanded.”)

2017 was more or less three years after MacDonald resigned from the BOAA of Mars Hill.  What was the “current direction” of the board of Mars Hill Church at the time of August-ish 2014?  There was a lot going on.  By the end of August 2014 Mark Driscoll announced he was stepping down, pending an investigation.

Driscoll said he will not do any outside speaking for the foreseeable future and postpone the publication of his next book.
“I have begun meeting with a professional team of mature Christians who provide wise counsel to help further my personal development and maturity before God and men,” Driscoll told the congregation.
Mark DeMoss, an Atlanta public relations consultant and former adviser to Mitt Romney’s presidential campaign, has been brought in to work with the congregation.
DeMoss, who represented the late Jerry Falwell Sr. and now Franklin Graham, said he attended the services in Seattle today on his own expense as Driscoll’s friend.
That Mars Hill leadership was willing to avail themselves of help from a public relations firm rankled some former members.  A guest on the Morning Invasion podcast said as much in a podcast interview you can listen to over here.

Whatever that current direction for the BOAA was in 2014 it has become apparent it was not going to be a lasting strategy by dint of the late 2014 decision to dissolve Mars Hill Church. 
The Tripp resignation was more noteworthy at the time because there seemed to be a tension between the official Mars Hill account of why Tripp resigned from the BOAA and Tripp’s own explanation for why he resigned. MacDonald stated he regarded Driscoll as having been exemplary in willingness to live under the BOAA.  But to go by the statement made by the BOAA in response to WORLD magazine coverage written by Warren Cole Smith about Mars Hill using Result Source, the BOAA as a whole agreed that Driscoll and the executive elders hadn’t erred in letting Result Source be used. There was nothing illegal or immoral about the use of Result Source but it was, however, unwise.

By November 2013 Mark Driscoll was in the middle of a plagiarism controversy that was perhaps losing some momentum by March 2014 but the revelation that Mars Hill contracted a firm to secure a #1 spot for a book that was itself a significant part of the plagiarism controversy as chronicled by Warren Throckmorton (and here it seems pertinent to mention that Wenatchee The Hatchet raised the issue of the extent to which Mark and Grace Driscoll did not acknowledge the work and influence of Dan Allender in the first print edition of Real Marriage back in July 2013). MacDonald was confident the BOAA could do its job and that’s why he was confident that it could move forward without him. 

We’ll get to Tripp’s statement that seems to reflect a different conviction about the MH BOAA but first we need to consult Warren Throckmorton’s coverage of Mars Hill updates in August 2014.

From Pastor Sutton Turner:
Pastor James notified the Chairman of our Board late this week that he had been considering and would like to transition off the Board at the end of this term along with Dr. Tripp. He has highlighted the strain on time and energy from his own ministry. I am sure it has been exhausting and consuming. The timing is challenging for us, but we will press on.
This was a surprise to the Executive Elders, but yesterday I received the commitment from Michael Van Skaik and Pastor Larry Osborne to you men and the church. 
Here is the post that is planned to be sent out today in the Members Weekly …

The resignation(s) are presented as surprising.  It seems that prior to the unexpected resignation of Mark Driscoll from Mars Hill there was a surprising resignation by James MacDonald from the Mars Hill Board of Advisors and Accountability. 
Now, having established a bit about the nature of the BOAA and that MacDonald was on it, and that he was named as far back as part of a group that would, when occasion required, investigate charges made against Mark Driscoll, we can turn to Dr. Paul Tripp’s statement as to why he resigned from the Mars Hill Board of Advisors and Accountability in the summer of 2014.

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Mars Hill BoAA Statement

I love the gospel of Jesus Christ. I love the church of Jesus Christ. I love pastors. I love working with churches to help them form a leadership culture that is shaped by the same grace that is at the center of the message that they preach.
It's because of this love that I accepted the position on Mars Hill Church's BoAA. But it became clear to me that a distant, external accountability board can never work well because it isn't a firsthand witness to the ongoing life and ministry of the church. [emphasis added]
Such a board at best can provide financial accountability, but it will find it very difficult to provide the kind of hands-on spiritual direction and protection that every Christian pastor needs. Unwittingly what happens is that the external accountability board becomes an inadequate replacement for a biblically functioning internal elder board that is the way God designed his church to be lead and pastors to be guided and protected.
So, since I knew that I could not be the kind of help that I would like to be through the vehicle of the BoAA, I resigned from that position.
I would still love to see the leadership community of Mars Hill Church become itself a culture of grace and I am still willing to help, but not through the means of a board that will never be able to do what it was designed to do. [emphasis added]
With respect to Dr. Tripp’s assessment, it may be possible that the Board of Advisors and Accountability may have done exactly what it was designed to do.  James MacDonald expressed confidence that the BoAA was going to be able to do what it was designed to do just fine without him being on it. 
So it looks as though James MacDonald and Paul Tripp came to diametrically opposed conclusions about the effectiveness of the Mars Hill Board of Advisors and Accountability. 
At the risk of revisiting the resignation of Mark Driscoll in October 2014 all over again, there have been six discreet accounts of how and why Mark Driscoll decided to resign. In an early account, in Driscoll’s resignation letter, he mentioned seeking wise counsel and deciding to resign. In Robert Morris’ account, he advised Mark take some time off to `heal up’. In the 2015 period at contexts like Thrive or in an interview Driscoll mentioned not being able to say good bye. 
In a diachronic survey of the different accounts of the resignation it began to seem that by Driscoll’s account there was a board who advised he enter a restoration plan and Driscoll said he agreed to it and then he heard a voice say “a trap has been set”. Between Grace and Mark Driscoll there were claims that words of some kind were received of “we’re released” and “a trap has been set”.  For those not already familiar with the six accounts and their contents you can go over here.

What is worth quoting from the time is the following notice regarding Driscoll’s resignation from the then members of the Mars Hill Board of Overseers, which was a constituent element (with the Executive Elders) of the Mars Hill Board of Advisors and Accountability.
Pastor Mark Driscoll's Resignation
By: Mars Hill Church
Posted: Oct 15, 2014

On Tuesday, October 14, Pastor Mark Driscoll submitted his resignation as an elder and lead pastor of Mars Hill Church. The Board of Overseers has accepted that resignation[emphasis added] and is moving forward with planning for pastoral transition, recognizing the challenge of such a task in a church that has only known one pastor since its founding. We ask for prayer for the journey ahead.

As is well known, inside and outside of Mars Hill, Pastor Mark has been on a leave of absence for nearly two months while a group of elders investigated a series of formal charges brought against him. This investigation had only recently been concluded, following some 1,000 hours of research, interviewing more than 50 people and preparing 200 pages of information. This process was conducted in accordance with our church Bylaws and with Pastor Mark’s support and cooperation.
While a group of seven elders plus one member of the Board of Overseers was charged with conducting this investigation, the full Board of Overseers is charged with reaching any conclusions and issuing any findings.

Finally, Mark Driscoll was not asked to resign; indeed, we were surprised to receive his resignation letter. [emphasis added] While he can speak to his decision as he chooses, we would point to just two things from his letter. He noted that he had concluded “it would be best for the health of our family, and for the Mars Hill family, that we step aside from further ministry at the church.” Secondly, he specifically wanted to convey “to the wonderful members of the Mars Hill family, how deeply my family and I love them, thank them, and point them to their Senior Pastor, Jesus Christ, who has always been only good to us.”

Mars Hill Board of Overseers
Michael Van Skaik
Larry Osborne [WtH there’s a few things to keep in mind about this guy]
Jon Phelps
Matt Rogers
That the resignation was said to be a surprise could potentially fit easily with Mark Driscoll’s own accounts in which he said he was advised to undertake a restoration plan. This seems to have been attested not just by Mark Driscoll’s account(s). Warren Throckmorton reported on a statement given by an Alex Ghioni that was transcribed as follows:

astonishingly, perhaps, the audio for this still works!  For now ... .  So if you want to hear the audio yourself download this pronto.
starting at 3:46 of the audio above
The investigation of formal charges against Mark Driscoll has revealed patterns of persistent sin in the three areas disclosed in the previous letter by the Board of Overseers. In I Tim 5:20, it requires that an elder be rebuked for persistent sin. Our intention was to do this while providing a plan for his eventual restoration to leadership. The Board of Elders in agreement with the Board of Overseers are grieved, deeply grieved, that any process like that was lost to us when Mark Driscoll resigned in position and left the church. [emphasis added] Now is the time to move on and consider what God is calling us to next as a church as we participate in Jesus’ mission to make disciples in His name. Today begins a new chapter in the history of our church which has proceeded in one direction under one leadership for many years now, but I want you to understand this, God is our Father. That does not change. Jesus is the chief shepherd of the church and that has not changed.

The elders of Mars Hill Church acknowledge as we’ve gone through all of this investigation, and heard all of these stories, we acknowledge that we have personally led in some of the same ways that demonstrate some of the same ways that Pastor Mark had. And those things require repentance and forgiveness and restoration. We realize that there are ways that we have led as elders in ways that have been domineering, sometimes arrogant and sometimes boastful and at least for my part, I want to say I deeply regret those sins and I ask for your forgiveness.  We want to lead you into the future in a way that displays more grace, more love as we speak the truth to each of you. If there are people that I have offended in ways I have pastored this church, I would welcome that you come to me and speak with me to allow me the opportunity to reconcile with you.

At this time Mars Hill Church is going to move ahead under the Board of Overseers established plan for transition. Pastor Dave Bruskas will serve as the teaching and preaching pastor during an interim period of time until we establish a direction we are going as a church. The Board of Advisors are going to be working in the weeks to come on a plan for moving forward and for how that will unfold, what the next steps are, there are a lot of things to consider. As we discover what those things are, what the spirit shows us, then we want to communicate clearly to you and transparently to you what’s happening, the directions and the changes that will be taking place.

Mars Hill announced its dissolution in the final months of 2014.  The process of dissolution, selling or giving assets and formal closure took place over 2015.
At a woodenly literal level of the two men who resigned from the Mars Hill Board of Advisors and Accountability Paul Tripp seems to have been right to state that the BoAA could not do what it was designed to do if what it was designed to do was provide a meaningful form of accountability to Mark Driscoll regarding what he taught, how he behaved as a leader, and what he was able to do in relationship to any potential restorative discipline of the sort that Mars Hill had some reputation for in the 2007-2012 period.
But if James MacDonald’s assessment was to be believed, he was so confident that the Mars Hill Board of Advisors and Accountability would be able to do what it was supposed to do he was confident it could do so without his being involved in the board.  During the period in which Mark Driscoll stepped down pending an investigation, August 2014 through to the day when Mark Driscoll announced his resignation, James MacDonald had stopped being on the BOAA. 
The coverage in WORLD has indicated that MacDonald and/or HBC made a $50,000 donation to help the launch of The Trinity Church, Mark Driscoll’s post-Mars Hill church plant.  James MacDonald has written an endorsement at the front of Spirit-Filled Jesus, Mark Driscoll’s newest book, and the book also has an endorsement from Larry Osborne.  Osborne was part of the group of men that stated in a letter on behalf of the Board of Overseers that they were surprised by Mark Driscoll’s resignation.  If a man part of a board of Christian leaders is surprised by the resignation of a pastor who spent years advising people to submit to spiritual authority, does that man just turn around in 2018 and endorse a book by the preacher whose resignation came as a surprise?  That is apparently how things work for Larry Osborne for whatever reason.
 For that matter, it would appear that however Mark Driscoll departed from Mars Hill Church; in whatever ways Mark Driscoll may have demonstrated that Paul Tripp was possibly right to say the BoAA could not do what it was designed to do, the words MacDonald used suggest that he believed not in the BoAA as such but in Pastor Mark.  MacDonald found Mark Driscoll exemplary in his readiness to be under the BoAA.  Then just a couple of months later the world got to see just how willing Mark Driscoll was to comply with whatever restoration plan was in place when Mark Driscoll resigned.   The two resignations from the Mars Hill Board of Advisors and Accountability in August 2014 from Paul Tripp and James MacDonald respectively may be seen as distillations of two kinds of responses to what happened at Mars Hill.  Tripp resigned and said for the record that he did not believe the BoAA could do what it was designed to do. MacDonald resigned saying “I believe in Mark Driscoll and his heart to leverage difficult lessons … . “

Wednesday, December 12, 2018

some price comparisons on different editions of Real Marriage by Mark and Grace Driscoll in which the Spanish language editions are notably pricier than English language editions

We've had a few posts about the Mark and Grace Driscoll book Real Marriage over the years.

But of particular relevance to today's post is a publishing agreement from February 28, 2011 regarding Real Marriage, published here at Wenatchee The Hatchet at roughly the start of 2016.

At the time the agreement was settled the working title of the book was A New Marriage to the Same  Spouse.  That is, in many respects, a more honest-seeming title.  But we don't need to recite at too great a length the extent to which the narrative of the 2012 book retroactively cast doubt on the veracity of any number of stories or summations Mark Driscoll gave from the pulpit about how happy he was in his marriage from the years 2000 through 2007 or in statements to church members.

No, we're going to focus on a segment from page 4 of the agreement known as Section 1.4.8, "Foreign Language Publication Rights". There's reference to the publisher and English and Spanish language versions of the book that is the subject of the agreement.

Well, the book came out in 2012 and the Janet Mefferd conversation with Mark Driscoll in which the the plagiarism controversy that Mark Driscoll had about his works was in later 2013.  What's the significance of that for pricing in different language editions?  Not sure there's any, actually but it does seem worthwhile to note that the prices for Real Marriage in its English and Spanish language formats are pretty different.

This is most vividly apparent with the Kindle editions.  The English language Kindle edition of Real Marriage, today, goes for $1.99.  How much does Matrimonio Real go for?

So why would Harper Collins have the English language Kindle edition at a penny under two dollars while the Spanish language edition is a penny under ten?  This is even more vividly apparent if we go hunting for Kindle editions with Grace Driscoll as the search category.

We're going to get around to reviewing Spirit-Filled Jesus, the first book Mark Driscoll has formally published through a publisher that he seems to have completed since A Call to Resurgence.  But that can wait until 2019 and since it seems the new book may not even have charted there's a couple of levels at which whatever he says in his new book is actually in some ways not as intrinsically interesting as a potential portrait of pop Christian publishing as the substantially different prices for the English and Spanish editions of what is arguably his most famous book.  Whether or not Dan Allender's work receives an acknowledgment in the first edition of the Spanish language Matrimonio Real might be something someone else can tackle.

By early 2019 Nadia Bolz-Weber is going to have her book out on the topic of sex and perhaps we'll just wait until then to do a potential compare or contrast between Bolz-Weber and Mark Driscoll.  For now, it's interesting to notice how much more the Spanish language editions of the Driscolls' book currently cost than the English language editions.  If one were to ask why on earth there's such a price difference could it be because of how many copies of the English language editions were printed?  Or did the plagiarism controversy have any role in what seems like a substantial price drop?  Of course the fact that a self-help book from 2012 might cost little in Kindle could be an effect of Kindle books getting cheaper (unless you're getting academic monographs!).


Commenter Eric Love mentioned that the price could be lower because Kindle books could be resold, which could drive the price down.  I'm not sure that that's necessarily the case about Real Marriage specifically. Amazon's site states that in both the English and Spanish language editions the Kindle price for Real Marriage and Matrimonio Real are set by the seller, which in this case looks to be Harper Collins.

Amazon can have discounts on Kindle and ebook formats, to be sure, but in this case it would seem that Harper Collins set the respective prices and Amazon has noted that. 

But on the American site I'm not seeing that you can find Kindles in the third-party "used" or "new" categories you could with more traditional books.