Saturday, May 23, 2020

discussion series: Pastoral Lessons from Mars Hill Church with Ryan Williams, Dave Bruskas & Sutton Turner

The seventh episode of an apparently seven (?) part series has gone up in which Ryan Williams talks with Dave Bruskas and Sutton Turner.  Owing to offline life events I have had other projects going and haven't tackled MHC related stuff in a while.  Now that Ragtime and Sonata Forms is up, though, I'll have time to get to the series, eventually.  For those who haven't heard of the series the links to the episodes are available after the break.


https://amicalled.com/pastoral-lessons-from-mars-hill-church-e1-lessons-on-repentance/
https://amicalled.com/pastoral-lessons-from-mars-hill-church-e2-lessons-on-accountability/
https://amicalled.com/pastoral-lessons-from-mars-hill-church-e3-lessons-on-church-growth/
https://amicalled.com/pastoral-lessons-from-mars-hill-church-e4-lessons-on-church-money/
https://amicalled.com/pastoral-lessons-from-mars-hill-church-e5-lessons-on-discipleship/
https://amicalled.com/pastoral-lessons-from-mars-hill-church-e6-lessons-on-narcissism/
https://amicalled.com/pastoral-lessons-from-mars-hill-church-e7-lessons-on-power/
[7-25-2020
https://amicalled.com/pastoral-lessons-from-mars-hill-church-e8-lessons-on-recovering-after-crisis/]

This is almost 4 hours and 15 minutes worth of stuff and I'll be getting to listening to it soon.  As noted above, various life events and the fact that episode seven only went up yesterday has meant I haven't gotten around to this content yet.  For those who may only know of Wenatchee The Hatchet as a blog dealing with classical music (and it's totally cool if that's primarily how you know of or think of the blog, since that's what its initial aim was intended to be!) the highest level of traffic for this blog has consistently been related to my chronicling the life and times of the former Mars Hill Church, of which I was formally a part from roughly 2000 to 2007 and connected to by attendance or association from roughly 1999 through 2009 and I continued to remain friends with many people from the MHC scene and remain friends with people I've known from the Mars Hill days.

Comments, as usual, are moderated.  As I have had a busy offline time in the last month or so I am tackling listening to these seven episodes this weekend, ideally,

UPDATE 5-24-2020
Gotten to episode 2 and I'm going to go out on a limb and say these are must-listen discussions just for episode 2 where Turner and Bruskas discuss their roles in the implementation of Result Source and Turner discusses the foundational mistake of thinking accountability could be solved through governance documents rather than mutual submission out of reverence for Christ.  For long-time readers who read WtH during the MH decline period you might remember I've okay'd comments from Sutton Turner here at the blog when he corrected factual errors and misunderstandings I had about a couple of things.  I did get a journalism degree and to the extent that I can correct factual inaccuracies I try to be steady about that.

Still working through episode 2 but as I was saying this is stuff people who want to hear a post mortem about Mars Hill Church will want to listen to.  It's five hours of material, though, so be warned it's a marathon of listening.  I may not have thoughts or comments ready for the blog until maybe next weekend.  The conversations are between Ryan Williams (former MHC Everett pastor) Sutton Turner and Dave Bruskas and what will be disadvantageous to outsiders who were never connected to the MHC scene is the sheer amount of inside baseball about documents and governance but for those of us, like Wenatchee The Hatchet, who attended MHC from about 1999 to 2009 and retained contact with friends at various levels of the church cultural system since 2009 through the 2014 collapse and beyond, this level of detail is important.  You'll get to hear former executive elders explain what they believe their foundational mistakes were in their pastoral roles.

Still in episode 2 of 7 so will have more to discuss later.

UPDATE 5-28-2020
It's a five hour marathon of listening but I'll get to discussing what stands out for me from the episodes as time and energy and focus allow.  

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