Saturday, October 05, 2013

Real Marriage Chapter 7: Grace Driscoll's critique of 2006 care groups in light of Mark Driscoll putting those people in charge himself

Grace Driscoll, Real Marriage
Copyright 2012 On Mission, LLC
ISBN 978-1-4041-8352-0
page 127-128
... I joined a group of women in our church who had all experienced abuse in different ways, and in the group walked through a twelve-week process of talking through the years of sin against me and sin I committed against others in response. When I joined the group, it was a bit disheartening to start out with one of the women putting our family on a pedestal as she said, "Oh, you are that Grace, Mark's wife, I just love his preaching ... " How can I possibly be honest and real now? I thought. What will happen in our church and life if they know about my abuse?

My leader thankfully addressed the issue with the woman, and every week it was helpful to hear others' stories and have the women respond to mine. I wasn't alone! But I also needed to realize no other "friend" was going to fix this for me.  Although I was blessed to have people in my life who loved me very much, our church lacked the resources in helping abuse  victims. We quickly realized there were large numbers of abuse victims attending our church and began the process of gathering resources to help.

page 131
As I previously mentioned, our church was on a mission to equip people as best and as efficiently as possible to serve the people in our congregation who had suffered abuse. The number of abuse victims was in the hundreds or more; just with those we were aware of at that point. ... Several elders were researching and trying out different programs but to no avail. Most weren't gospel centered or they focused wrongly on helping behavior rather than the person's heart. God cares about our hearts, and we needed something Jesus and Bible focused, so the elders decided to write their own material and train our people.
So Grace Driscoll stated that she joined a group and that the church lacked resources to help sexual abuse victims.  It's been established that Grace mentioned something that happened to her some time in 2006.  Grace Driscoll never actually says what happened to her but Mark Driscoll has publicly stated he told her she was raped.  Whatever it was Grace Driscoll has recounted what happened to her as something she did not recognize as actually having been sexual abuse until Mark Driscoll told her it was.

Now Grace Driscoll's account can be compared to Mark Driscoll's own account in Confessions of a Reformission Rev from 2006. 

Confessions of a Reformission Rev
Mark Driscoll, Zondervan 2006
copyright 2006 by Mark Driscoll

ISBN-13: 978-0-310-27016-4
page 151

To make these transitions, I needed to hand much of my work load to my elders and deacons so that I could continue to concentrate on the future of expansion of our church.  In some ways I longed for this day because it meant the weight of the church would be off my shoulders and shared with many leaders. In other ways I lamented not being able to invest in every young couple, experience the joy of officiating at so many weddings, or know everything that was going on in the church.

I asked our newest and oldest elder, Bent, to take over the counseling load that I had been carrying. [emphasis added] He was the first person to join our church who had gray hair, and he and Filipino wife, Joanne, were lock rock stars with groupies since all the young people wanted to hang out with these grandparents that loved Jesus. My problem was I loved our people so much that if I got deeply involved in the pain of too many people's lives, it emotionally killed me, and I needed to do less counseling.

pages 156-157
Pastor Bent has launched a number of care and recovery groups for such things as sexual abuse, sexual addiction, and alcoholism. He is also training new elders to help shoulder this burden with him. Among them is Phil, who was the first father to show up in our church when we had less than forty people and who has risen up to become a pastor
[most likely Phil Smidt, Jamie Munson's brother-law and currently a biblical counseling pastor at Mars Hill Ballard, WtH]
So whenever Grace Driscoll participated in a small group she was participating in what was probably a ministry that was only a few years old.  Zondervan published Reformission Rev in 2006 so it means that what Driscoll described as Meyer's work in setting up care and recovery groups was happening while Driscoll was writing the 2006 book or may have begun even earlier, and the bulk of the writing was likely in 2005.  Mark Driscoll, by his own account, gave Bent Meyer the task of taking over the counseling load and that Bent Meyer was beginning to launch care and recovery groups.  If Grace Driscoll in 2012 declared the resources were not gospel-centered or wrongly focused on behavior modification what were some of those resources?

How about How People Change by Timothy S. Lane?
The Wounded Heart by Dan Allender?
Blame it on the Brain? by Ed Welch?
Addictions: Banquet in the Grave by Ed Welch started getting mentioned circa 2007-2009

In fact earlier this year (March 2013 no less) there was a linked feature on Ed Welch at The Resurgence. This was before Holcomb jumped ship.

With those authors and titles circulating around and some of those authors still getting shout-outs from Mars Hill this year Grace Driscoll's claim that what was available circa 2006 was not gospel centered or wrongly focused on behavior change makes no sense.  If that were true why still plug the works of those authors?  Wasn't CCEF credited by Mike Wilkerson in the opening pages of Redemption as a potent and formative influence on the approach taken by Mars Hill? 

Nevertheless, Grace Driscoll mentioned in chapter 7 of Real Marriage that because the elders of Mars Hill sought in vain for really great resources to help abuse victims they began writing their own material.  She eventually name-drops books by Mike Wilkerson and by Justin and Lindsey Holcomb.  What is striking is that Grace Driscoll only refers to publications by authors whose works in question were published under the Re:Lit banner, one by Justin and Lindsey Holcomb and another by Mike Wilkerson.  Curious that she only mentions two books available through The Resurgence.

All right, both Rid of My Disgrace and Redemption were published in January 2011. Yes, roughly five years after Grace Driscoll was said to have shared the story of her abuse.  But that's not even the whole story here.  Let's get back to Driscoll's account that Mars Hill pastors began writing their own material.  Grace Driscoll's lack of detail about chronology glides over a significant detail about Justin Holcomb, he wasn't even at Mars Hill at the time.  Holcomb didn't even show up at Mars Hill Church until 2009 which is easily verified by our friends at Mockingbird! The wording in Grace Driscoll's chapter might lead an inattentive reader with none of Mars Hill's history to imagine that Holcomb was a pastor at Mars Hill prior to 2009 or that Holcomb's work is a reflection, in any way, on Mars Hill Church. 

No, none of the above.  Holcomb developed a reputation prior to coming to Mars Hill.  For that matter, whatever is in Rid of My Disgrace may already be available in a non-Martian imprint in the form of Save Me From Violence[WtH, update 2-10-14, this is actually a different book on the subject of domestic violence] "If" Holcomb has published  new form of his earlier book in a way that is no longer under the Mars Hill imprint that "might" be a sign that he's steadily distancing himself from his past association with Mars Hill.  How distant?  How about not mentioning that he was at Mars Hill in his LinkedIn profile?  And at this point I would say who would blame him?  I don't.

Now, for Mike Wilkerson. He is still Director of Biblical Counseling at Mars Hill.  How did he end up in this field of ministry?  Remember that Mark Driscoll wrote that he put Bent Meyer in charge of counseling and that Bent Meyer was setting up ministries and care groups.  Bent Meyer was in a position to put men like Mike Wilkerson and James Noriega into ministry roles.  Both men would later be part of the vote in 2007 to remove Meyer and Petry from eldership, which got covered by The Stranger at the time.

In Redemption Wilkerson explicitly expressed a debt of gratitude to CCEF and to James Noriega for developing the prototype group on which the Redemption Group model is based and Noriega's choice of resources aren't that hard to consult. 

Now let's go back to 2009 when Pastor James Noriega was asked what he hoped for and looked forward to for Mars Hill.  It would appear that as co-leader of the Redemption Group and Biblical Counseling Noriega laid out, in an interview on March 17, 2009, what his hope was for that ministry in Mars Hill.  Mars Hill has made a point of scrubbing all the below away but The WayBack Machine managed a few screen captures.  So here you go, former Pastor James Noriega on a positive vision for Mars Hill helping people.
What ministry are you currently serving in?  Co-Pastor of Redemption Groups and Biblical Counseling.
What is your biggest challenge in this ministry?
 In our generation there has been so much suffering from abuse that it is so easy to get caught up in lies from the enemy of God. I have watched people die based on a lie they heard from the enemy of God. These lies are so entrenched in one’s soul; it is very difficult to help someone see that what they saw as truth all along was a lie. In addition, the lie can be so entrenched that when they hear the truth of the gospel, it sounds like a lie and to them God seems like the enemy.
What is your greatest joy while serving in this ministry?
 To have front row seats when someone really gets who Jesus is for the first time, when the light really goes on for the first time. You literally watch their heart melt in the presence of God. It is an amazing thing to watch; I feel very blessed by God to have such a great job that I get to watch lives transformed before my very eyes.

What are you looking forward to seeing God do in this ministry?
 Uncovering more of the enemies schemes, that the church actually becomes a real healing ministry, that we do not have to rely on outside sources to help our people, and that the church is seen by the secular world as a place where real change that glorifies God is going on.

The goal, as Noriega saw it, was to see to it that Mars Hill would never rely on outside sources to help its people.  If the then co-leader of Biblical Counseling explicitly said his vision for the ministry was no outside sources of help this suggests that Grace Driscoll's take is idiosyncratic and not formal.  The Resurgence is a for-profit publishing arm of Mars Hill Church.  While Grace Driscoll negatively faulted resources available in 2006 as not being gospel-centered and as wrongly focused on behavioral modification former pastor James Noriega articulated a positive vision of a Mars Hill that would never need to consult outside resources and people to help victims of abuse. 

In other words, Grace said in Real Marriage there were no resources for sex abuse victims when she shared her story.  But if there really weren't any resources for abuse victims how did she end up in that small group she wrote about?  And who put Bent Meyer in charge of counseling and let Bent develop a series of ministries?  Mark Driscoll, by his own account.  And who made an explicit public statement of the hope that one day Mars Hill Church could rely entirely on internal resources for helping people?  Former Pastor James Noriega, whose connection to Andrew Lamb and the Mars Hill Church disciplinary situation of early 2012 has already been exhaustively discussed elsewhere.

So even if we set aside the question about how much Grace Driscoll's Good Girl, Tough Girl and party Girl resembles Dan Allender's "Style of Relating" without giving Allender any credit, Grace Driscoll's purported history of recovery/care ministry inside Mars Hill circa 2006 seems tendentious.  Mark Driscoll was glad to tell people in April 2006 in a book that he put Bent Meyer in charge of counseling and that Bent was starting care groups.  It would be accurate to say the recovery/counseling ministries were new and relatively inexperienced but to claim that the existing resources were doctrinally problematic belies the fact that a lot of those authors works are still given rave reviews by MH people to this day. Some of them are even invited to teach at Mars Hill functions.

By contrast, former Pastor James Noriega's positive hope circa 2009 that one day Mars Hill Church could use only its own materials and ministries to help people makes more sense.  It explains why so many authors and resources have been retained or recycled into the Mars Hill publishing arm, and it also better explains how Grace Driscoll could broadly put down 2006 Mars Hill resources only to plug for 2011 books published under the Mars Hill Re:Lit imprint.

We learn more about the story of how Mars Hill started putting together its books in the Re:Lit imprint, in fact, than we learn from Grace Driscoll about what actually happened to her in the first place.

Friday, October 04, 2013

Where are they now update 2: Jamie Munson is apparently still a member and a pastor at Mars Hill Downtown

In an earlier post we noticed that Jamie Munson is no longer publicly listed among the pastors of Mars Hill Church.  For those who aren't up to speed, Munson resigned from executive eldership in late 2011.  Driscoll mentioned that Munson would not be on paid staff abut would remain in eldership at Mars Hill as a pastor. 

Mike Anderson, who has no current affiliation with Mars Hill (let's just say we've checked this out and confirmed it a couple of different ways), has mentioned Jamie Munson at his website.  Anderson's background includes a variety of projects for Mars Hill over the last few years but he is not currently associated with them.

Anderson, in the following post, mentions Jamie Munson as follows:

I’d like to introduce you to a friend of mine. When I was originally hired to get the Resurgence up and running Jamie was my boss’, boss’, boss. He was only 30 years old and was running a multi-million dollar organization with thousands of people involved. It wasn’t until after he moved on that I realized how important his leadership was. I’ve learned a lot from watching Jamie and think it would be worth you bookmarking his blog. -

Anderson's wording might be construed as suggesting Munson has moved on from being in Mars Hill leadership altogether.  The Stranger strongly suspects that Storyville Coffee, owned by Jon Phelps, is full of Mars Hill members and advocates.  If information conveyed to Wenatchee The Hatchet earlier this week is still reliable ...

Pastor Jamie Munson
Contact Info Send a Message
Request Friend
Last engaged
about X hours ago.
Member of Downtown Seattle
Crystal Munson

Haley Munson
Daughter - over 7 years

Orin Munson
Son - over 9 years

Kara Munson
Daughter - almost 11 years

Caleb Munson
Son - over 12 years
Facebook – Twitter – @jamiemunson
Shared groups: Ballard, Green Lake / Phinney Neighborhood Network, Mars Hill
In: DTS | Aspire, DTS | Deacons, DTS | Elders, DTS | Elders & Wives, DTS | KIDS Parents & Families, DTS | Service Team Check-in, Downtown Seattle, MH KIDS | Downtown Volunteers, MH Kids | Ballard, MH Kids | Ballard: Guests, RNV | MH Kids | Parents, UWD Children's Ministry
then Jamie Munson is still currently at Mars Hill Church Downtown and still listed as a pastor.  Not a surprise, Driscoll did mention something about Munson being able to be a pastor at Mars Hill indefinitely and that Munson's welcome to transition back on to paid staff any time. 

For people who are wondering, yes, it's content from a profile on The City.  Yes, it was current as of some time in the last week or two.  No, it's not a given that this profile is still on The City right now but people with access to The City can go look it up, perhaps.  When Mike Anderson mentioned that Jamie Munson had moved on that was no doubt a statement made in good faith with the best information he had available at the time of the post. 

It's just not clear now that Munson has moved on from Mars Hill in any way, let alone from formal leadership.  It may be that Mars Hill Church, for whatever reasons, has decided to simply not list Munson publicly as among its leaders.  Given the great level of suspicion with which staff at The Stranger view Storyville Coffee there may be some understandable reasons for deciding that downplaying any and all religious affiliation, let alone Mars Hill Church affiliations, on the Storyville Coffee side of things might benefit from a lack of public disclosure on Mars Hill Church's part about Munson still being a pastor there ... if he is, in fact, still a pastor there in some capacity.

Mars Hill Rainier Valley and Willie Wilson, one of the shorter pastoral careers in the history of the church

Wenatchee The Hatchet was notified via comments that Willie Wilson is no longer among the pastors of Mars Hill.  Wilson was at Rainier Valley as a pastor and that's a campus that we've not discussed yet in much detail.  Driscoll mentioned in the June 2012 financial update that Mars Hill Rainier Valley was running the lowest deficit of all the churches and he pointed out that that's where the single moms and poor people are.  Ah, right, but see there may be an even more important detail that wasn't mentioned, that's a "campus" that is using borrowed real estate from the Union Gospel Mission, if memory serves.  You'll run the lower deficit if your congregation only has to rent rather than own because a lot of the property upkeep can be handled by the people who DO own the real estate. 

Evidence of Wilson's role can still be found in a few spots.
January 27, 2013
Willie Wilson is the new lead pastor for Mars Hill Rainier Valley. Scripture is filled with "one another" statements such as: encourage one another, serve one another, love one another, and bear one another's burdens. That's what life in the church looks like. Pastor Willie has a passion and vision for building community in the name of Jesus. Find out more information on Mars Hill Rainier Valley.

In case you missed it, watch last month's Mars Hill Monthly and read about what Jesus did at our student camp.
What do you think about urban church planting?

Don't bother with the video.  It's gone. 

Jevon Washington was listed as a deacon helping Wilson over here.

It looks like Wilson may have preached as recently as late July 2013 according to this cached page.

From an earlier date, a cache of content from late 2012.

The following cache is to a video that was on a post July 25, 2013.  The video is now marked private.

Still just as private when linked to in a tweet by Sutton Turner over here.

The last thing with Willie Wilson's name on it that Wenatchee The Hatchet managed to spot was this:

No sign of Wilson in the pastoral roster these days.  If he's still at Mars Hill it would likely be just as a member.  Then again, it isn't always a given that just because a man isn't shown as a pastor in public listings that he isn't still a pastor at Mars Hill in some capacity.  Wilson is probably no longer a pastor but ...


Monday, September 30, 2013

Real Marriage Chapter 7, part 2: comparing Grace Driscoll's writing to Dan Allender's writing from The Wounded Heart

Real Marriage, the book by Mark and Grace Driscoll, has been a topic for blogging before here at Wenatchee The Hatchet, here, specifically.  In the interest of promoting education and discussion of the two books mentioned in the earlier post here are back to back comparisons of short excerpts from Dan Allender's book and Mark and Grace Driscoll's book.  It is worth repeating that at no point in Grace Driscoll's chapter "Grace and Disgrace" is Allender's name mentioned, nor is his work mentioned in any endnotes, footnotes, or bibliography. 
That Grace Driscoll publicly listed Dan Allender as one of her favorite authors in her deacon profile in the earlier days of Mars Hill is easily documented.

Chapter 9, "Style of Relating"
Dan Allender, original copyright 1990 by NAVPRESS
ISBN 08910-92897
Grace Driscoll
Chapter 7, "Grace and Disgrace"
Real Marriage: the truth about sex, friendship and life together
Mark and Grace Driscoll
copyright 2012 by On Mission, LLC
ISBN 978-1-4041-8352-0
The following excerpts are presented for the sake of education and encouraging public discussion about the two books. 
"Style of relating" compared to "the masks of the abused person"

A relational style is the "typical" way of protecting oneself in contact with other people. Self-protection is, in essence, the commitment to never be hurt again, to never be powerless, betrayed or ambivalent in the way we once were.
page 171 of Allender
There are as many styles of relating as there are people. Nevertheless, there are some general patterns that can become common styles of relating for those who have been sexually abused: The Good Girl, the Tough Girl, and the Party Girl.
page 174
A person who has been abused can become adept at hiding the pain behind a mask. It helps us cope with others and makes us feel safe, but in truth it's really just something that prevents us from actually dealing with the abuse. ... Do you act out a role or hide behind a mask? ...
page 129 of Driscolls
The Good Girl (with “religious girl” subdivision in the Driscoll book)               

The Good Girl is pleasant, but rarely alive. The woman who described herself as a "house with the lights on, but never at home" was a Good Girl.  She responded with pleasant warmth and social ease, but she never viewed herself as alive within herself. 
... The Good Girl would rather allow her health to deteriorate than ask for help. 
page 174
... The person involved with a Good Girl often feels invited to use or take her for granted.
page 175
To cope with the pain I initially pretended to be a "good girl", outwardly displaying kindness, patience, smiles, and quick apologies without true repentance.  ... Though I seemed happy I was emotionally shut down and disengaged at any deep levels.
[on the "religious girl"]
If people needed advice, I would give them a verse or a book to read, not considering how I should apply it first. If people needed help, I would serve them without question, even enabling or allowing people to use me. ... I didn't like recognition for my service, but if people didn't seem grateful, I was bothered by it.
page 130

The Tough Girl
The Tough Girl is the classic take-charge, task-oriented, no-nonsense, ramrod, whose heart may be as good as gold, but is usually just as hard. 
… the Tough Girl is above her own feelings, suspicious of others' motives , and arrogant and angry in her evaluations of others.  She views human need as childish and unnecessary. 
... A Tough Girl views her longings as sentimental, sloppy, and weak; they are a defect that must be eradicated. ... At her core, however, her hunger for involvement is severely undermined by her refusal to be dependent on anyone. She views her longings as a sign of weakness whenever she cannot resolve her heartaches on her own.
page 178
A mask I didn't wear, but that is common, is "tough girl". She seems in control, confident, unaffected by the world's pressures, and not at all needy.  She often leads with making people fear her, and as a result isn't liked by many.
page 130
She pretends to embrace being alone, but inwardly wishes for relationship and closeness. Her hard exterior keeps people at arm's length and avoids her getting hurt. She is critical and doest trust people, and works hard to be the protector of others.
page 131

The Party Girl
The Party Girl is the classic easygoing, good-time lady sometimes intense and other times mellow. She is predictably inconsistent, hard to read, and impossible to pin down in close relationships. One factor behind her capricious style is her ability to use competently both self-centered and other-centered contempt.
page 181
... It's as if the Party Girl won't allow herself to be too troubled, because she knows it will lead to a point that requires honesty, commitment, and strength.  It is far easier to laugh or cry over her pain and then walk away from it, than it is to actually enter the unknown.
page 182

Another mask I had worn in high school was the "party girl." I liked to have "fun" and numb the pain with alcohol. Some use drugs, food or being funny all the time as party masks. They may be sarcastic or use jokes to change the subject if the mood gets too serious. Their names are associated with fun, so they are always invited to events and seem to love a crowd. Sadly, it's the perfect place to hide and not be known as an individual.
page 130

For those who didn't follow the link presented earlier from The WayBack Machine. 


Where Are They Now update: Jamie Munson no longer listed in the pastors of Mars Hill

For those alert readers who saw that the MHC Downtown leaders are currently listed as pastors for Mars Hill Rainier Valley you may have also spotted that there's no sign of Jamie Munson.  For those without the background on changes in late 2011, Sutton Turner joined up in April 2011 and by late 2011 there was a new ceiling of complexity and Munson stepped down.

My proposal to the Board of Directors (BOD) is that Pastor Jamie Munson remain an elder at Mars Hill Church Ballard. Following a sabbatical through the end of the year to enjoy his family, rest up, and finish writing a book, he will rejoin us as an unpaid board member at the highest legal level of Mars Hill Church. [Munson ended up on several boards] In God’s providence, the same day that Pastor Jamie made this decision, one of our unpaid BOD members had to resign due to escalating demands at his place of employment. So, while this man will remain an elder at his local Mars Hill Church, it opened a seat on the BOD for an unpaid elder, which Pastor Jamie fills perfectly. We need many more unpaid elders and Pastor Jamie helps us to raise the profile of that service. The plan is simply that Pastor Jamie will remain an elder at Mars Hill indefinitely. He has clearly communicated his desire to stay at Mars Hill and serve as an elder and we welcome this. So, Pastor Jamie is still Pastor Jamie. Also, the door to employment is always open to Pastor Jamie. It has been clearly communicated to him by myself personally and by his performance review team collectively that should he ever change his mind, we would welcome him back on staff at Mars Hill Church. Our bylaws require that our Executive Elder (EE) team have at least three members. Pastor Dave Bruskas and I remain on the EE. Thankfully, Pastor Dave and his family recently moved to Seattle after leading Mars Hill Albuquerque. His leadership, wisdom, and experience come at just the right time and we praise God he is on the team. In God’s providence, the sermon he preached at Mars Hill Ballard will air this Sunday at all our other churches, helping you to get to know him better. To fill Pastor Jamie’s vacancy on the EE, I am recommending that the BOD vote for Pastor Scott Thomas to join the EE for at least the foreseeable future. Pastor Scott has served faithfully for many years as an elder at Mars Hill, is among our most trained and seasoned leaders, is already a BOD member, and has served previously for many years as an EE member while also leading Acts 29.[emphasis added]  Pastor Dave and I both believe Pastor Scott is the best choice for this role in this season. Pastor Scott has been very clear in his love and commitment to Mars Hill and has said he will gladly serve wherever he is needed, which we deeply appreciate. Administratively, Pastor Jamie was our senior "king" and his departure requires very competent leadership to cover his many responsibilities. Thankfully, Pastor Jamie was a great leader and humble man. He surrounded himself with great people.

Sorry, dear readers, Mars Hill peeps apparently don't believe in paragraph breaks. Scott Thomas didn't last long. 

Then there's ...

We are inviting other churches to join us on this big campaign, and in the grace of God I believe 2012 will be the biggest year we’ve ever had. While we celebrate the past and honor the present, we also need to prepare for the future by God’s grace. We’ve been here before, many times before, in fact. As our church grows, we encounter obstacles and hit ceilings of complexity and need to adjust as necessary to get through the next size barrier. [emphasis added] This was true at 200, 800, 2,000, and 6,000, just like the experts predicted. At 10,000 we are there again. I’ve been working on the beginnings of a comprehensive plan, as I can see into the future to 25,000 people a week, Lord willing. A finished version of that document will be released once it is revised with input and change from various leaders in the church, as well as wise counsel from leaders of churches larger than ours who have become friends.

What that document was was not clarified.  A possible guess is the "Governance" page that went up in early 2012.  It was subject to some collosal trimming and revision between 2012 and 2013, documented at some length here.

"Ceiling of complexity" is an interesting term, particularly since it got mentioned during a period of reorganization of governance inside Mars Hill.  Why does that sound familiar ... ?  Ah, yes, because of this.  New ceiling of complexity was arrived at and Jamie Munson stepped down?  New kingly gifts guy, it did have some ring of familiarity to it. 

Apropos of transitions amongst guys with kingly gifts, a about a year ago Sutton Turner published the following piece advising pastors on how to leave well.

Of particular note in light of the announcements of the resignations of Bill Clem and Tim Gaydos is the following:

6. Be prepared to sacrifice

If you resign, do not request or expect to receive severance pay (severance
is for layoff situations). Sudden staff loss is painful and expensive for
your church. The recruitment process is a costly, time-consuming distraction,
and severance essentially doubles that cost. If you’re the one who wants to
leave, don’t ask your church to invest in a new hire and keep paying you a
salary after you’ve gone.

I.e. if you DO quit don't expect any monetary compensation when you go and don't ask for it.  That's for people who get laid off. 

Sutton Turner's post was eventually followed up by Mark Driscoll's Do You Trust Your Pilot? that Chris Rosebrough of Fighting for the Faith discussed.

The most recent contribution Munson made to The Resurgence was July 7, 2013

and his profile:

Jamie Munson is a long-time pastor and board member at Mars Hill Church and author of Money: God or Gift and Authority: The Leader's Call to Serve. Born and raised in the state of Montana, Pastor Jamie came to Mars Hill as a 19-year-old non-Christian, not long after the church began. He met Jesus, got baptized, and after a stint in the corporate world, became the first Mars Hill intern in June 1999.
Over the next decade, Jamie became a pastor and continued to take on more leadership responsibility to help shepherd Mars Hill's tremendous growth by serving as executive pastor for many. Pastor Jamie married his wife, Crystal, in 2000. They have four children: Caleb, Kara, Orin, and Haley.
"It is my heart's desire and calling to follow Jesus faithfully," Pastor Jamie writes, "and to help build an army of faithful Christians who love and steward well the relationships and resources that Jesus has blessed them with."
Though he departed vocational ministry in 2011, Pastor Jamie continues to pursue his calling by influencing leaders in business, non-profits and the church.
Learn more at

So Munson, if he's gone, will by no means be part of a process assessing any charges that may be made against Mark Driscoll if that happens, even though that was outlined in the 2012 governance statement

There have been some comments in one or two places to the effect that Munson has moved on, we're not going to quote them here but we'll just say for the moment that the question of whether or not Jamie Munson was going to stay at Mars Hill after such a large step-down in status and influence was a question I've contemplated from time to time.  Despite Munson's notable role in the termination of Meyer and Petry and the expansive send-off given to him by no less than Driscoll himself it's starting to look like Munson isn't in leadership at Mars Hill in any capacity and who knows if he is even on the bus? 

September 24, 2013 job listing for Mars Hill--Accounting Manager, Income

Earlier in the month (9/10/2013) there was expenses and 14 days later, income

HT Jim West: The Decalogue as the Prohibition of Theft

Every prohibition in the Decalogue, David J. A. Clines sketches out, can be thought of as prohibiting the wrongful appropriation of what belongs to another.  Clines proposes that the tenth commandment is the climax of the ten and is a warning about desire rather than action.  Perhaps it is no surprise, if this proposal is correct, that Paul deals with "do not covet" in his discourse on sin and the law in Romans because "if" to covet is a disordered desire for what does not rightly belong to you then all other sins would flow out of coveting.

Clines' brief aside about adultery as an infringement on the possession of another man is worth noting, though those who bristle at the patriarchal orientation of the Decalogue will not enjoy this, because the prohibition is against the infringement on rights first and not directly about a specific sexual prohibition as an isolated concern.  If a man had two wives, for instance, he wasn't committing adultery on wife 1 if he had sexual relations with wife 2. 

Anyway, feel free to go read the whole thing as it's not that long a read.