Sunday, November 26, 2023

could the prince of the kingdom of Persia from Daniel 10:13 be reconciled with God? An exousiological question regarding contemporary bids at Christian nationalism in the circles of Douglas Wilson and Mark Driscoll's current social media writings

https://heidelblog.net/2023/10/three-congregations-that-grew-during-the-covid-lockdown/

Three congregations that reportedly grew during the Covid lockdowns in 2020: Christ Church in Moscow, ID; Grace Community Church in Sun Valley, CA; and Trinity Church in Scottsdale, AZ. These three congregations have a few things in common. Each is led by a powerful personality: Doug Wilson, John MacArthur, and Mark Driscoll respectively. Each of these pastors has been controversial in one way or another, some of which have been chronicled in this space. All of them, to one degree or another, generated controversy over their reaction to the Covid mandates. All of them too took a very public stand in defiance of public health regulations. Comments in a recent article on Driscoll’s congregation in Scottsdale capture well what happened: …

We are to live quietly because, Paul says, God desires that all people be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth. The Jews had engaged in rebellions before Jesus. Many of them, Judas among them, expected Jesus to lead a political rebellion against the empire. Bar-Kochbah led a rebellion against Rome in the AD 130s. Paul wanted nothing of it. Paul, like Peter, wants the congregations to be good citizens, but to mind their business so as to do nothing that interferes with the advance of the Kingdom of God.

 None of the Apostles give the slightest hint that they expected the visible church, as a church, to resist the civil authorities, let alone lead a rebellion against them, and yet it was acts of defiance that attracted great numbers of people to these congregations during the Covid regime.

I have been thinking about something that Clark does not necessarily mention but which seems more than tangential to his topic, the influence Doug Wilson and John Macarthur had on a young Mark Driscoll, and a pair of questions that linger over bids by Mark Driscoll and Doug Wilson to stump for some variation of Christian nationalism, questions that, ironically, center on whether or not either of these men have coherent and cohesive exousiologies (not quite the same thing as demonologies).  First, let’s get to Wilson, who has been contending that real men have been shown the door by the pussified society whether or not he’s willing to use Driscollian wording to make the point:

 

https://dougwils.com/books-and-culture/s7-engaging-the-culture/little-old-ladies-of-both-sexes.html

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The problem has been a dearth of biblical masculinity, and the solution is naturally going to require a restoration of biblical masculinity.

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Men will always be dominant, in the very nature of the case. They are capable of being dominant in incredibly constructive ways, in ways that are a true marvel. But we, in the grip of a very peculiar frenzy that has a death grip on our little lizard brains, have decided to outlaw constructive dominance.

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Would this be the kind of biblical masculinity where King David had eight wives and ten concubines?  Between 2 Samuel 3 and 1 Chronicles 3 we get the names of David’s wives, not counting the first:

 

Ahinoam of Jezreel

Abigail of Carmel

Maakah daughter of Talmai, king of Geshur

Haggith

Abital

Eglah

Bathsheba

Michal, of course, who was given to another man and who David put away

 

Then there are the ten concubines.  David was a man after God’s heart, to be sure, but that’s a lot of wives and concubines. As Jacob L Wright has put it, because the scriptural texts have positive things to say about David the king doesn’t mean the overall verdict was always positive. One of David’s final acts was commanding a disastrous census that military historians would say was probably the catalyst for a plague.   Absent a clearer set of definitions Amnon and Absalom could be cases of “biblical masculinity” if all we’re doing is just invoking masculinity as portrayed in a scriptural text. Ahab would count, too.  He was, after all, described as a capable military leader in 1 Kings.

 

Driscoll has contended that if you get the young men you get everything (the women, the real estate, the children, the legacy and so on) and if you don’t get the young men you get nothing.  By his own accounts he didn’t get these ideas out of nowhere, he got them from Wilson. Thematically it is not too many steps from “Pussified Nation” back to the headwaters of its inspiration.  Wilson is still emphasizing this issue in 2023:

 

https://dougwils.com/books-and-culture/s7-engaging-the-culture/little-old-ladies-of-both-sexes.html

In Christian circles, it has become customary to lament all the abdicating men. But it would be more accurate, and sound more like real repentance, if we acknowledged that the men who were willing to act like men have all been outlawed. Banished as they were, we didn’t see much of them, and then we pretended that their absence was voluntary on their part. But the exiles were exiled, and didn’t go AWOL. They were not deserters.

We could go to them, and ask them to return. We could humble ourselves as the elders of Gilead did, and plead with Jephthah to come back (Judges 11). They exiled him, for reasons that seemed like a good idea to them at the time, but at least they had the good sense to realize that this is what they had done. They didn’t hold seminars in the AELNA faculty lounge in order to puzzle over where Jephthah had gotten to. And so when they were confronted with the might of Ammon, and the crisis they brought in with them, they were willing to go to the land of Tob to bring Jephthah back.

 

Because America needs the kind of man who will offer his one and only daughter as a holocaust because he scored a military victory after making a hedged bet promise to the Lord.  I’ve got Barry Webb’s commentary on The Book of Judges in the NICOT series. Yes, Jephthah was considered a hero of the faith in Hebrews 11 but William S Lane proposed that was because of Jepthah’s willingness to help his fellow Israelites after they had banished him, not necessarily a blanket endorsement of everything he did.  Barry Webb has pointed out that the dedicated virgin interpretation of what was done with/to Jephthah’s daughter doesn’t hold water for the simple reason that the term describing what Jephthah did was to offer his daughter as a holocaust, the same Hebrew term that saturates instructions on the sacrificial rites in Leviticus.  In contrast to some lazy contemporary “Western” pundits, the question of how much of your identity you gain or lose in spirit possession states is not a foregone conclusion across Asiatic and African societies from centuries ago but this is not the time and place to wander off into that set of topics, although there are some recent publications that dive head first into that set of questions (here’s one).

 

Invoking Jephthah as an exemplar of the kind of manly man we need more of without tackling the issue of his human sacrifice seems a bit precipitous and pat … but then, I’m afraid, this is Doug Wilson. He comes across as a careful thinker and exegete to people already committed to taking him seriously.  I have had a hard time taking him seriously because, whatever his speech and conduct in person, via his blogging he comes across as a preening blowhard who thinks he’s smarter than he demonstrates himself to be in his eisegetical flourishes.  Take the above invocation of Jephthah, for instance.

 

But as the decades go by it becomes harder and harder to evade the fact that Mark Driscoll made no secret of being substantially influenced by Doug Wilson. It may be much easier for Mark Driscoll and his fans to note the influence than for Doug Wilson fans to accept Mark Driscoll as an example of pastors culturally “downstream” of Wilson’s teaching.  Driscoll shared that early on he was significantly influenced by John Macarthur, though he came to view Macarthur’s cessationism as too belligerent and insufficiently grounded in a responsible exegetical engagement with biblical texts. How do I know that?  Besides the fact that I published “Pussified Nation” (in which Driscoll noted Wilson’s influence), it’s because I attended Mars Hill from about late 1999 through to 2009 and actually had conversations with Driscoll on the topic of Macarthur and cessationist pneumatology.  I have never been a cessationist but I am not what most Pentecostals would considered a card-carrying continuationist, either. 

 

But let me get back to my observation on the ways in which Doug Wilson’s penchant for basking in controversies that keep him front and center has formed a kind of precedent for Driscoll.  Take this bit from October 2023 in which Wilson offers up a hypothetical scenario and his response to the anticipated hypothetical scenario:

 

https://dougwils.com/books-and-culture/s7-engaging-the-culture/as-the-internet-is-without-sin-we-will-let-it-cast-the-first-stone.html

The following is a transcript of my remarks to the Society of the Perpetually Aggrieved. The occasion for the address was a response to a court order, and it was in anticipation of the next sexual scandal that is going to be thrown against our community, whenever that might happen to be. A car was running outside, and I had a police escort.

 

Good evening, harpies, hostiles and intoleristas. I am sure that you all would rather not be here, and I think I can say that I feel exactly the same way, and so let’s just try to get through this together, shall we? The court order was as much of a surprise to me as I gather it was to you, and my only explanation is that a few Trump judges got together, and they each of them had one or two beers too many. So with the pleasantries out of the way, let me get to the substance of my remarks, and then we can be done

I make no secret that I don’t regard Doug Wilson or men like him as competent enough theologians, Bible scholars or pastors to have any significant business advising on what kind of theocratic libertarian state people should be living in.  Paradoxically, Mark Driscoll has poured a lot of contempt on theonomy over the years and for that I would’ve thought Doug Wilson would’ve liked Mark Driscoll less than he seems to.  The same goes for Mark Driscoll’s accounts of his reliance on dream divination to make significant leadership decisions throughout the history of Mars Hill.  I can’t take Doug Wilson seriously if he won’t take his own stated cessationist stance seriously enough to publicly fisk Driscoll in a No Quarter November for going off on self-publishing treks into claiming his newer material is hugely anointed and prophetic.  Now I sincerely think that the Mark Driscoll of 2003 would say the Mark Driscoll of 2023 must’ve dribbled the idiot ball against his own face for a literal 24 hour period in an automatic writing frenzy session of cutting and pasting from his previously self-published and Charisma House books that he should not have self-published.

 

Back on Monday, August 25, 2014 Douglas Wilson wrote, among other things, “9. I liked Mark Driscoll before and I like him now.  How about now, post New Days, Old Demons?  If Wilson knew the extent to which Mark Driscoll, by his own accounts, relied on prophetic dreams to make decisions, is it a consistent position to stick with “I liked Mark Driscoll before and I like him now”?  Does Mark Driscoll think about Douglas Wilson much at all these days, or vice versa?

 

All the same, here in 2023 and surveying decades of Mars Hill Church history, the master had a learner, a learner who had no regrets naming a name.  If anything Mark Driscoll became the master and is better at taking a “no quarter” stance than Wilson. “Bat-Guano Crazy” bears a punch-pulling title for a No Quarter November post, keeping up appearances is too important to have gone with the title “Bat-shit crazy” that the title so obviously trades on. It’s not “Pussified Nation” and Doug Wilson might even grant that his style and substance influenced Mark Driscoll since if you scroll through the whole thread you’ll see his name mentioned, but he’s the kind of pastor who won’t actually call his post “Bat-shit Crazy” even if he claims he’s posting during No Quarter November. 

 

Let’s revisit a snippet of the post he wrote in 2012 in the wake of a situation at Liberty University:

 

https://web.archive.org/web/20120419231725/http://pastormark.tv:80/2012/04/16/an-official-response-to-the-kerfuffle-at-liberty-university

On Friday night and Saturday morning, Grace and I will teach as part of our Real Marriage Tour. Across the US, we’ve been humbled and honored to see people saved, marriages mended, divorce proceedings ceased, sin confessed and forgiven, sexual assault and addiction healed, and single people taught with this content, and we rejoice that we get to share it yet again.

 

Lately, I’ve been busy with something you may have heard of called Easter. So, I’ve not been on the Internet much but instead busy with church and family. However, rumor has it there is a bit of mushroom cloud of controversy over my planned trip. So, I asked our community relations manager, who gets to enjoy reading blogs about me while eating breakfast every day (it’s amazing he holds anything down), to give me a summary of this kerfuffle. (Henceforth, we will officially refer to this situation as “The Kerfuffle.”)

 

The trouble started with a Southern Baptist blogger . . . yes, you should have seen that one coming. Now, to be fair, the blogger quoted an anonymous “source.” And, we all know that almost everything bloggers say is true. But, when they have something as solid as an anonymous “source,” then you can rest assured that when Jesus talked about the truth over and over in John, this is precisely what he was referring to. I have a degree from Washington State’s Edward R. Murrow College of Communication and worked professionally as a journalist, and I can assure you that The Kerfuffle is a very serious matter to be taken with the utmost sobriety and propriety. In fact, one anonymous “source” I spoke to said that Watergate pales in comparison.

 

These are men who, to go by the things they write, luxuriate in controversies that swirl around them.  They are less eager to wade into other issues. 

 

https://twitter.com/PastorMark/status/1726652938104557960

 

Pastor Mark Driscoll

@PastorMark

Globalism is a demonic counterfeit of God's design, nationalism.

 

This isn't just a political issue, it's spiritual.

9:25 AM · Nov 20, 2023

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But here are two questions.  


The first one, aren’t counterfeits supposed to be able to pass for what is being counterfeited?  


Globalism simply can’t be a demonic counterfeit of any nationalism that is more or less by definition anti-globalist. The counterfeit that globalism is has to be a counterfeit of something else that Driscoll thinks people should embrace. In that case wouldn’t globalism be a demonic counterfeit of catholicity?  Or, to put it in more geopolitical terms, wouldn’t globalism be some kind of counterfeit to Christian nationalism being an ideal prescribed for all nations?  Wilson, at least, might be more consistent if he stipulates that globalism is bad because it posits all the nations are disciples of Satan rather than Jesus but I confess I am not so assiduous a reader of Wilson as to know if he has fielded that.   I have more direct experience chronicling Driscoll and the late Mars Hill.

 

Now for the second question, if God’s design is “nationalism” what do you do with the Prince of Persia passage in the book of Daniel?  Can the Prince of Persia from Daniel 10:13 be redeemed?  


G. B. Caird, at least, proposed that Pauline theology about the powers and principalities may actually have been ambiguous on that question, since talking about Christ reconciling all things to Himself seems to suggest a potential reconciliation/redemption of the powers and principalities Christ overcame on the Cross and through His resurrection. On the other hand, Christ has judged and vanquished the powers.  Do some people think that post-Ascension the powers and principalities can be redeemed?  Caird proposed that Paul may have changed his thinking on this set of issues across his epistles (Caird took as given Pauline authorship of Ephesians and Colossians, which many biblical scholars would simply not accept now).  But for evangelicals and fundamentalist Caird’s option of “maybe” wouldn’t sit well, because when we talk about powers and principalities in conventionally evangelical or fundamentalist spiritual warfare manuals the Prince of Persia cannot be redeemed. 

 

For someone like Jacques Ellul’s Christ vanquishing the powers became the basis for Ellul’s later-in-life universalism. See Matthew T. Prior’s recent book Confronting Technology: The Theology of Jacques Ellul.  Prior rehearses a number of interesting critiques of Ellul’s theology, chiefly that in his fixation on defining the city negatively and tracing its development from Cain through Nimrod, Ellul left no room for divine inspiration in Bezalel and the voluntary offerings and work done to create the Tabernacle, which a number of theologians suggest reveals that God redeems human creativity and technologies by giving them opportunities to contribute to the Tabernacle as a kind of secondary creation. Ellul believed that because Christ vanquished the powers all would be saved because all have been enslaved to one or more of the powers. But this presupposes the powers may be more consistently malignant than some theologians might be able to assent to.  This is the paltriest of brief case studies on whether or not the Prince of Persia could be reconciled but it is, if we take exousiology as our theological topic, a significant question.  Ellul contended the powers were not redeemable as such and that Christ’s defeating them was the basis for universal salvation.  The powers and principalities “might” be redeemable once all the human sinners are liberated from bondage to them, but that would have to happen first. 

 

Christian nationalisms, so far as I can tell, have not waded into exousiology much, but the question of whether or not the Prince of Persia can be redeemed seems like a significant question for any would-be theology of Christian nationalism to address. Variations of Christian nationalism seem to want to have their cake and eat it, too, when it comes to exousiology, the theology of powers and principalities.  Everything God created was good according to Genesis 1 but that would include the angels who many Christians believe later became demons.  David E Ritchie, drawing extensively on work done by the late Michael Heiser, Esther Acolatse and Daniel K Darko, has argued that nationalisms are ultimately demonic in origin.  Thus his book Why Do the Nations Rage?: The Demonic Origin of Nationalism.  Ritchie’s theology of the powers and principalities suggests he believes the Prince of Persia cannot be redeemed.  That is a consistent and coherent theological position if you’ve read his book and the authors he has drawn upon.  Christian nationalisms seem to posit a potential redemption of righteous purpose for a Prince of Persia, at least if the prince in question is of the United States.  If you contend that nations make covenants with God and that God honors these covenants then that may just be another reason why you need to formulate a cohesive and coherent exousiology, which by and large seems to escape the interest of Christian nationalists that I’m aware of so far.


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