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That Mark Driscoll decided to say the Jezebel spirit was present at the recent Stronger Men conference and has been giving away his book discussing the Jezebel spirit is laced with an intense irony for anyone who heard his preaching from 2000 to 2008. The irony is that it seems Mark Driscoll is in a strange position indeed to vent about men who have a Jezebel spirit when his own branding from Real Marriage and other works has been “can we ________?” discussions about sexual activity in marriage.
Given the scope of sermon redaction Team Driscoll has undertaken in the last ten years it seems useful to establish (again) for public record that the man who recently opined on the Jezebel spirit among churches is the same man who made reference to clear heels 17 times in 13 sermons preached from the pulpit from January 2004 through to February 2008.
Do you have doubts? Well, that’s what the following documentation is for. Content warning for the squeamish, by the way.
Because the marshill.se site has gone defunct and because various prior sites that had Mars Hill sermons are no more I'm updating older documentation I did by adding an archive.org link, this will allow you to see which sermon is being cited and have a way to go hear it for yourself. There was simply too much material for even me to attempt to go with my preferred 00:00:00 timestamp references, I'm afraid. Forgive me that blunder of mortality. I do hope, however, that I've given you enough material that you can read with your own eyes and hear with your own ears how prolifically Mark Driscoll referred to clear heels in his 2004 to 2008 preaching. By prolifically I should, perhaps, clarify what I mean by that, any reference at all from the pulpit. This material was originally presented in my blog series Mark Driscoll and the Influence of Porn if you've never read this material before.
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http://download.marshill.se/files/2004/01/25/20040125_1-timothy-2-1-10_sd_audio.mp3
https://archive.org/details/Mars_Hill_Church_Sermons_2004/2004/20040125+1-timothy-2-1-10.mp3
Part 4 of 1 Timothy
Pastor Mark Driscoll | 1 Timothy 2:1-10 | January 25, 2004
Let me bring it all around. Am I against thong underwear? Clear heels? Push-up bras? No. I’m not. Here’s what I would suggest. Get married. Pull the blinds in your house. When your husband comes home, have on clear heels, thong underwear, push-up bra. Cook steak. He will walk in, good deeds. Raise his holy hands in prayer, “Thank you Jesus! Thank you!” I’m not against it. At all. See, we’re about redemption, not abstention. We’re not against sex, we’re for marriage. We’re not against thong underwear, we’re for putting it on wives. We’re not against clear heels and push-up bras. We’re for them on wives, at home. Awesome. Good deeds. See, all you ladies were thinking, I’ll go door-to-door and share my faith. No, I’m telling you, just hear me out. From your husband’s vantage point, good deeds are probably different than your list. They’re probably considerably different. Now, prayer, Bible – we’re for it. But I’m telling you, the best defense is a good offense and the thing that happens here – these ladies in Verse 9, you’re saying, “I don’t want my husband to look at,” well, you know what? He should be praying to God for holy hands and holy eyes and his wife should be the object of his affection. He should chase her around the house in Jesus’ name. We are pro sex. We are pro marriage. We are pro love. We are pro fun. We are pro good. We’re pro Christ. That’s what we are. But God just ransomed us from pornography and fornication and adultery and perversion and sickness, so that we can be married, love each other, have fun, have a great time. I’m gonna close this in prayer. Some of you are convicted. Some of you ladies have to go home and you have to repent of your wardrobe, right? You’re gonna have to change a little bit of your clothing, modestly. Some of you men have got to get your attitudes under control.
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http://download.marshill.se/files/2005/04/10/20050410_jacob-steals-esaus-blessing_sd_audio.mp3
https://archive.org/details/Mars_Hill_Church_Sermons_2005/2005/20050410+Jacob+Steals+Esau's+Blessing+(Genesis+27+1-28+9)+(11am).mp3
Part 26 of Genesis
Pastor Mark Driscoll | Genesis 27:1 - 28:9 | April 10, 2005
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This is what bitter people do. They just – they do anything to make other people miserable, and they get their joy from watching other people be miserable. How many of you are raising this kid, this openly defiant kid? Whatever you say, they do the opposite. So you try reverse psychology. You say, “Do not eat your vegetables, and do not read the New Testament.” (Laughter) And they go, “Oh, get carrots and Paulian literature. I’ll show you. I’ll show you.” (Laughter) And the parent’s thinking, “Oh, I won. I got them. I got” – no, you didn’t ‘cause their heart’s still evil, and they’re working out of rebellion. That’s why reverse psychology with kids just trains them to have hard, bitter hearts.
This is this guy. He just is so ticked. It’s like going to your dad, “Hey, dad, what would I do that would be the worst thing I could ever do?” “Well, marry an unbelieving stripper.” “All right, I’ll be back in a minute.” (Laughter) That’s what he does. Is he a Godly guy? Is he a brilliant guy? Is he a repentant guy? No, he’s a continual fool. “Esau then realized how displeasing the Canaanite women were to his father Isaac, so he went to Ishmael” – is that bad blood in the family? (Laughter) Oh, man, this is like one of the Bush girls running off and marrying one of the Clinton boys. I mean, this is bad, you know? This is no, not – this is not good. These two sides don’t get along. Remember, Abraham had a wife who gave birth to Isaac. Had a girlfriend, gave birth to Ishmael. Isaac’s son, Esau, says, “What can I do to freak my dad out? I’ll go find my uncle Ishmael and marry one of his
Godless, Rastafarian daughters with clear heels. That’s what I’ll do.” (Laughter) And this is gonna freak his mom and dad out for sure. “So he went to Ishmael, married Mahalath, the sister of Nebaioth and daughter of Ishmael son of Abraham, in addition” – in addition to the crazy wives you already – he had.
You know what’s worse than marrying a Godless woman? Having a busload of Godless wives, this guy’s driving around in a bus. You know, “Here’s my atheist, my stripper, my drug addict. Hey, dad, we’re coming over for Thanksgiving.” (Laughter) And he just loves to watch his parents suffer. That’s what he does because he has a grudge, because he’s bitter, because he’s unrepentant, because he only sees himself as a victim, because he won’t own his own sin, because he won’t acknowledge the fact that many of the problems in his life are because of his own doing.
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http://download.marshill.se/files/2005/04/17/20050417_jacobs-stairway-to-heaven_sd_audio.mp3
https://archive.org/details/Mars_Hill_Church_Sermons_2005/2005/20050417+Jacob's+Stairway+to+Heaven+(Genesis+28+10-22)+(5pm).mp3
Part 27 of Genesis
Pastor Mark Driscoll | Genesis 28:10 - 22 | April 17, 2005
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Jacob and Esau are not good boys. Esau is the man’s man, dude of dudes, drives a Ford F-150, massive Toby Keith fan. (Laughter) He always has got, like, a Skoal dip in his chin. He watches a lot of wresting. He hunts. He fishes. He doesn’t believe in bathing. He’s that guy, right? He’s a man’s man, dude of dudes, but he hates God. He’s got a couple of wives who are gals with clear heels and part time jobs at Hooters. (Laughter) There’s not a lot to work with there. The other son, Jacob, well, he’s a momma’s boy, total wuss, drives a Cabriolet. Everything he owns is lemon yellow. He slept outside at Tower Records all night to get the new Mariah Carey CD. (Laughter) He’s that guy, you know? He can’t grow a beard. He can’t win a fight.
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http://download.marshill.se/files/2005/06/26/20050626_judah-and-tamar_sd_audio.mp3
https://archive.org/details/Mars_Hill_Church_Sermons_2005/2005/20050626+Judah+and+Tamar+(Genesis+38)+(11am).mp3
Part 37 of Genesis
Pastor Mark Driscoll | Genesis 38 | June 26, 2005
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“When Tamar was told, ‘Your father-in-law is on his way to Timnah to shear his sheep,’ she took off her widow’s clothes, covered herself with a veil to disguise herself, and then sat down at the entrance to Enaim, which is on the road to Timnah. For she saw that, though Shelah had now grown up, she had not been given to him as his wife.” She’s gonna take matters into her own hands like every generation of woman in Genesis. Eve – matters into her own hands. Sarah, matters into her own hands. Rebekah, Rachel, matters into their – you know what? When men fail to lead their family well, women take over, and it’s sin on both accounts, and it just creates problems.
But now truth be told, Judah has set this up. He promised her that she would get married and be a mom. She’s waited many years. The boy’s grown up. He has no intentions of being good for his word. And so she will dress up like a whore, and she will sit by the side of the road, and she’ll put herself in Judah’s path waiting for Judah to come by. The story takes a nefarious turn for the worse.
“When Judah saw her, he thought she was a prostitute, for he could not see her face.” She dresses up like a whore. Now ladies, today we would call this your club clothes. That’s what we would call this, right. You have your Jesus clothes, your work clothes, and your whore clothes. And your whore clothes are for the club. Your Jesus clothes are for Mars Hill. And your work clothes are in the middle, right? Ladies have certain things in their wardrobe. High heels, clear heels, short skirts, certain things they wear. They would never wear them to Mars Hill, right? Some of you have. Don’t do that.
But, you know, I wouldn’t wear that to the Bible study, you know. Hello, like, wow, you’re just like Eve. You’re naked too, you know. That’s not Biblical. You know, but there’s certain women that have certain clothes that they wear to the club or they wear out. And these clothes are declaring, “I’m available.” This is the way she says, “One Jagermeister, and I’m all yours.” This is a woman selling herself for a drink. That’s what it is.
So, women wore certain clothes to communicate certain sexual availability, okay. In that culture, it was a veil sitting by the side of the road. In our culture, it’s a woman in the club clothes with clear heels and plunging neckline and high skirt. That’s what it is. She puts on her club clothes, and she’s gonna prostitute herself out. It’s amazing, isn’t it, when a woman really wants a baby sometimes what she’ll do to get one. Unbelievable, really. But again, Judah, he really set this up. Had he been good for his word, she would be married, and she would be a mother, and her life wouldn’t be in this moment of great desperation. It’s sad really. You think about it.
Next time you drive by a prostitute like on Pac Highway, which tends to be where they congregate, just think Tamar. What happened to that girl to get her to that point? What happened for her to get to the point where she’s walking down the street, dressed and walking in such a way that we all know she’s a whore? What happened to get that girl in that place? It doesn’t advocate her of her sin, but something has happened.
I can still remember. I grew up in Seatac, down in South Seattle, right by the airport. I grew up the street from the Dejavue Strip Club. At the time, there were other strip clubs in the neighborhood. Ted Bundy, Green River killer, picked up all their victims there. I remember as a kid walking around, going to the store, and seeing prostitutes all over the place. It was just sort of common. I can still remember when I got my license, I was driving for a couple of different hotels on the strip, taking people to the airport, and running them to the store, and working as a concierge and a bellhop and stuff.
And I remember one night I was going to work, and it was late at night. I was working a night or a swing shift. And I was pulling onto Pac Highway 99. And I think I was looking left, waiting for the traffic to come so I could merge. And somebody knocked on my passenger side window. I mean I almost died, you know. Just cause if somebody knocks on your window in the dark on Pac Highway, it’s not for Jesus, that’s for sure, right. And so I look over, and I had my window kind of cracked a little bit. And this girl says, “Do you want to have a good time?” I was in high school. She was in my class. She was in my sociology class. I knew this girl. I sat next to her in school. And like that week I had seen her in class, and then that night I saw her on the highway. And then I looked at her, and I said, “Aren’t you,” – and I said her name. And she just blushed and walked away. And then some guy picked her up and off she goes. I was just dumbfounded. I just watched her, like what in the world? And then I go to class, she’s in class with me. Girls in my high school turning tricks on Pac Highway.
You see a girl like that and you go, “What happened?” Like my thing is always this. Being a daddy, when I see a woman who’s wearing the wrong clothes, hanging with the wrong boys, doing the wrong things, I think, “You know what? She had the wrong daddy. That’s what I think.
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Part 5 of Christ on the Cross
Pastor Mark Driscoll | October 30, 2005
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But these guys were so religious, so devout, so committed – now here’s what’s shocking. Jesus used them as an illustration. And here’s what he says in Matthew chapter 5, verse 20. “For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.” Jesus brought these guys out, and here’s the drunks, and here’s the gal who’s a stripper, and here’s all the other people
that have their own obvious sins, and everybody knows it. And they’re sitting there listening to Jesus, and Jesus brings up the Pharisees. And he says, “You know what? If you guys want to go to heaven, all you’ve gotta do is you’ve gotta be more moral and religious than the Pharisees.” All the guys and gals that are sinners are thinking to themselves, “We are jacked. There is no hope for us. I’m here in clear heels, the dude can’t find his pants, and they’re telling us that we gotta be better than Billy Graham and Mother Theresa to go to heaven? This is not gonna happen. We are in serious trouble.”
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http://download.marshill.se/files/2006/05/28/20060528_the-weaker-christian_sd_audio.mp3
https://archive.org/details/Mars_Hill_Church_Sermons_2006/2006/20060528+the-weaker-christian.mp3
THE WEAKER CHRISTIAN
Part 19 of 1st Corinthians
Pastor Mark Driscoll | 1 Corinthians 8:1-13 | May 28, 2006
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And this is all stuff at my house. My wife’s more of a naturopath organic girl. So she’s like, “Can we have a naturopathic doctor? Can we eat whole foods? Can we eat organic foods and brown rice, and can we do all” – I say, “Yeah, honey, that’s cool. But you will still shave your armpits. To me, that’s the line of conscience, because I went to the PCC and I see the hippie girl going up to get the quinoa, looks like she’s got dang Mike Tyson in a headlock – that is not happening at the Driscoll house. That is not gonna happen. I don’t mind organic diet. I do mind an organic wife. That’s the line for me. That’s not gonna happen.
So yeah – if you’re in that tribe, great, and if you’re a gal who’s a hairy-pitted gal, great! Great, great! Enjoy being single, but great for you! “How about clothing?” This is a great job. “How about clothing? What can I wear, Pastor Mark?” Right, okay, Paul says to dress ladies how? With modesty. I’ll illustrate. This, ladies, this is not a shirt. This is not a shirt, okay? Gentlemen, this is not a bathing suit, all right? This is not a shirt, or a bathing suit, right? There’s a line, right? You gotta dress modestly. What is that? Well, it means we should have something left to the imagination, right?
So yeah, dress modestly. You gotta wear a burkha, a muumuu? Not necessarily, you know; not necessarily. But modesty in dress – you shouldn’t be the clear heels Christian girl. You shouldn’t, right? I mean you shouldn’t be the short skirt and the neckline meeting, you know. There should be something, you know. And just as a general rule, big people shouldn’t wear short shirts. I don’t have a verse. I just think it’s a health thing for me, because I feel a little – just something to pray about. So clothing, yeah, we gotta dress modestly.
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http://download.marshill.se/files/2006/07/16/20060716_glorifying-god_sd_audio.mp3
https://archive.org/details/Mars_Hill_Church_Sermons_2006/2006/20060716+glorifying-god.mp3
GLORIFYING GOD
Part 24 of 1st Corinthians
Pastor Mark Driscoll | 1 Corinthians 10:23-11:1 | July 16, 2006
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And so how is it, then, that you can love people and disagree with them. That you can be their friend without affirming their lifestyle. That you can participate in their culture without blessing their spiritual practices. Boy, this is complicated, isn’t it? How many of you young women have got this issue right now? You’re like, “Yeah, what do I do?” I mean some of you – there’s gals in this church, who – you know, you were the club gal, right?
You get dressed up in clear heels, which is like part of the stripper uniform. You’d put on a little tiny skirt and a piece of dental floss for a shirt and then you’d make your hair really big so no one could miss you and then you would come in looking like you been electrocuted to the club, waiting for guys to buy you drinks, well you hang out with your friends. You can go out on the dance floor and grind and break the majority of the commandments and then you met Jesus. And then Friday night comes and your girlfriends call. They say, “Hey, we’re going to the club. What time do you want us to pick you up?” You got a decision. Oh boy. Okay, first permissible. “Jesus, should I go to the club? Well, it doesn’t say, ‘Thou shalt not go to the club.’ So I guess I’m free.” Now beneficial. “Is this gonna be good for me? If I’m gonna go there and drink a bunch of drinks and end up with some guy and
wake up married to Bobby Brown. You know, is that good for me?” Probably not. So, maybe that’s not beneficial. You know, “And if I do go, should I go wearing sensible flats and pants and drink a Diet Coke and hand out tracts to dudes who hit on me? Should that be the way that I go?” Wearing a sweatshirt. And – you know, and these are the kinda questions. So as – so for every woman, for example, who comes from that kinda background, some of the women will say, “I can’t go. You know, I’m gonna just get – my conscience doesn’t allow me. I’m gonna have a couple drinks. I’m gonna be dancing. I’m gonna get in trouble. It’s not gonna be good.” Other women say, “You know, I’m gonna be okay. I think I can be a good witness. I can hang out with my friends. I can love them. I could have a good time with them without sinning and I can show them that there has been a change in me.
http://download.marshill.se/files/2006/07/23/20060723_under-authority-like-christ_sd_audio.mp3
https://archive.org/details/Mars_Hill_Church_Sermons_2006/2006/20060723+under-authority-like-christ.mp3
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UNDER AUTHORITY LIKE CHRIST
Part 25 of 1st Corinthians
Pastor Mark Driscoll | 1 Corinthians 11:2-16 | July 23, 2006
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So what Paul is saying is that if a woman who wants to come into the church and she wants to be in leadership, she shouldn’t come off as a lesbian or a hooker, she should come off like a Christian. And there are women who come into this church who say, “Can I be in charge?” Well, are you a Godly woman or not? That’s the point. Are you a God- do you respect authority? Are you all women who loves the Bible and loves Jesus and respects Godly authority. In our culture, the cultural equivalent of this would be a gal in a short skirt, and a belly-showing shirt and a push up bra, who takes her wedding ring off and gets up in clear heels and says, “Hey, can I lecture?” No. No, you can’t. You can sit down and take notes but you can’t say anything. “Well, I wanna lead.” You’re going to Hell, we don’t want you to lead anybody. You know, that’s not it. What he’s saying is that if a woman wants to be in authority in the church, be a leader in the church, she must be a respectful, Godly, feminine woman, who is glad that God made her as a female and is comfortable in her own skin and isn’t trying to be a dude and isn’t trying to be a prostitute. And for guys, what he’s saying is that a guy also shouldn’t be a leader in the church unless he’s a guy who doesn’t cover his head. Now you don’t cover your head in that culture, ‘cause that’s what the women do, and as a man, you want to embrace your masculinity. You want to take responsibility. You wanna be a guy who loves his wife,
loves his kids, has his life together. 1 Timothy 3 Titus I says that the elders, the senior leaders in the church, are to be good husbands, good fathers who have their life in order, guys we respect, guys that are like Jesus, guys that have it together, spiritually speaking.
So what he’s saying is, if we’re gonna have male and female leaders in the church, that’s fine, but the women must embrace their role as women and respect authority. The men must embrace their role as men and exercise authority. Take responsibility for the well being of their wife and their children.
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See, practically, what that means in our church is this – a woman can give testimony, and they do when we baptize women, they’ll tell you their story and then we’ll dunk ‘em. A woman can lead worship. A woman is leading in worship tonight. A women can read Scripture. Women are reading Scripture tonight. We didn’t set it up this way – this is actually just how the, how the schedule worked out, so have a nice illustration with some great ladies. A woman can teach Bible studies. A woman can be a deacon in the church. A woman can go into full-time ministry. A woman can go to seminary. All of these things, she just can’t be the highest authority in the church because that’s the role that God intends for male elders. And if a woman respects that authority, there’s a lot of freedom for her.
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http://download.marshill.se/files/2006/09/17/20060917_spiritual-gifts-pt-vi_sd_audio.mp3
https://archive.org/details/Mars_Hill_Church_Sermons_2006/20060917+spiritual-gifts-pt-vi.mp3
SPIRITUAL GIFTS PT VI
Part 32 of 1st Corinthians
Pastor Mark Driscoll | 1 Corinthians 14:26-40 | September 17, 2006
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The question is not will someone be offended. The question is who will it be? Will we offend God? Saying, “God, you know what? This is an old book. You’re kind of an idiot. I have some other opinions. I went to community college. I have a degree in Women’s Studies. I have a push-up bra and clear heels and opinions.” The question is who will be offended. God or us? And if we are offended, do we really believe that God doesn’t know what he’s talking about or that this really isn’t God speaking to us? Those are the issues on the table. “As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches.” He’s speaking here about Godless, feminist women who are on an agenda, beating the drum, planting the flag in the ground, “We’re for women. We’re for women. We’re for women.” He says, you know what? The church is for Jesus. Wrong mission. Women are great, as long as they’re for Jesus. It’s when women are for women that it becomes a real problem. It’s when men are for men that it becomes a real problem. It needs to be about Jesus. These women are discouraged from speaking because they do not have wisdom. It is not time for them to speak, it is time for them to listen. It is not time for them to argue. It is time for them to repent.
“They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about omething,” they have a theological question, a disagreement, a debate, some of these doctrines come to them as warmly as water on a cat, “they should ask their,” what? “Husbands at home;” this is a word directed to married women who are out of control in that church, “for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.” It is not that the women were leading worship and loving the Lord and reading the Bible and being godly and respecting the male elders and the teachings of Scripture. It is that this was a feminist contingency that rose up around the issue of declaring war on men and pushing their weight and many of them were married women. As a man, I can tell you that these are some of the most difficult women to deal with because it is a lose-lose scenario when you engage them. They will say, “There is no difference between men and women. We were not made male and female, we’re the same.” Hm. We are different and it’s not good and bad, but it’s left hand, right hand, working together in a complementary, not a conflictive plan of God. And they will say, “You need to treat me like a man.” None of you women want that. No woman wants a man to treat her like another man because if we do, you cry. That’s the truth. Men are horrible to other men and they don’t cry and if they do, we mock them and tell everyone. That’s probably not what you want. True story, right men? Right?
My wife tells me all the time, “I’m not one of the guys.” Right, which means, I do not treat her like a man. Does that mean I treat her with – no, I treat her like a lady. See, this whole gender conflict is that men are – you know, we’re not about chauvinism, we’re not about feminism, we are about chivalry. Men loving women in their femininity and not treating them like men but treating them like ladies. That’s what we’re about. The problem with women, though, who want to be treated like men is as soon as you do, they say, “You know what, you hurt my feelings, I’m a girl.” That is called manipulation, ladies. That is saying, “Treat me like a man when it’s convenient. Treat me like a woman when it’s convenient. Dance monkey! Dance!” It’s manipulation. It is. “Respect me!” “You hurt my feelings!” You’re like – now I know there are a few of you here who have horrible wives, horrible. Just nasty women and you brought them here for me to fix. “Right, we’re going to Mars Hill. Get ‘em Mark. All right, I’ll tithe if you get it. Get her. I’ll put money in the bucket.”
So what are we to do? Today, if you have a wife who’s out of control, I’m giving her back to you. It’s your job.
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http://download.marshill.se/files/2006/12/10/20061210_why-did-jesus-come-to-earth_sd_audio.mp3
https://archive.org/details/Mars_Hill_Church_Sermons_2006/20061210+why-did-jesus-come-to-earth.mp3
WHY DID JESUS COME TO EARTH?
Part 10 of Vintage Jesus
Pastor Mark Driscoll | December 10, 2006
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Many tax collectors and sinners came and at with him and his disciples.
So now it’s the strippers are there and the drug dealers and, you know, the guys with the pants around their waste and, you know, the Glock in the front. I mean, this is a weird-looking crew. Right? I mean, this is bad. This is like the worst hip-hop video you’ve ever seen. There’s Matthew with gold teeth and, you know, I mean, he’s got all the bling ‘cause he rips everybody off (Laughter). This is not good, right? There’s clear heels on women. This is not (Laughter) – this doesn’t look like a Bible study. That’s my big point. Okay (Laughter)? They’re all there. They’re all there at Matthew’s house for the party with Jesus. And (Laughter) – I love this – “When the Pharisees saw this”, the religious guys – don’t you love religious people? All right? Religious people do not get a very good presentation in scripture.
These are the worst kind of religious people. These are religious people who look down on others and make judgments, and they’re hypocritical and self-righteous. “When the Pharisees saw this, they asked the disciples ‘Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners? Why does he hang out with all the sinners and the rebels and the lawbreakers and the freaks and the weirdoes and the wing nuts and the nut jobs and, you know – and the wrestling fans and – why (Laughter)? Why is he with those guys? Can’t he find some nice people like us to hang out with?’ On hearing this, Jesus said, ‘It’s not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick.’” ...
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http://marshill.se/marshill/media/redeemingruth/gods-hand-in-our-blessing
https://archive.org/details/Mars_Hill_Church_Sermons_2007/2007/20070121+gods-hand-in-our-blessing.mp3
GOD'S HAND IN OUR BLESSING
Part 3 of Redeeming Ruth
Pastor Mark Driscoll | Ruth 2:14-23 | January 21, 2007
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Here’s what she doesn’t do. This is what I love. She doesn’t leave the place that God blesses. I would just encourage all of you to understand this. Some people say, “God bless me! Please, bless me, God!” Stay in the place that God blesses. She doesn’t say, “Well, it’s been six weeks. I’m going back to Moab. It’s been six weeks; no Christian guy’s asked me out. I’m gonna get my clear heels on” – you all know what that means. “I’m gonna go to the bar for happy hour. Whoever buys me drinks, I’ll just go with him. I’ll live with this non-Christian guy. I’ll sleep with this other guy. I’m a little older, I’m not a virgin, I’m a Moabite. I’ll drop my standards.”
You can’t have ridiculous standards, ladies, like “Well, he didn’t walk on water; I don’t think he’s the one.” I mean, you gotta be reasonable. But you can’t drop your standards to where, as some women do. Because he’s bipedal and upright, “Good enough!” Right? I mean you need to have holiness, and you need to stay in the place that God blesses. You can’t say, “Well, I’ll go shack up with this guy, or date this guy, or sleep with this guy, or flirt with this guy, ‘til Boaz comes,” ‘cause if Boaz does come he is not going to be interested. Boaz is gonna look and say, “I’m not interested. That gal’s got trouble. She’s not holy. She’s not staying in the place that God would bless her, waiting patiently, faithfully.”
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Now, I’ll close in just a minute. Next week we’re gonna talk about pulling a Ruth. That’s what we’re gonna call it. If you read ahead – and you should – the story gets weird. It’s like Ruth gone wild. It gets weird. She goes tanning. She gets her nails done. She goes in to get her hair foiled. She buys a little dress, gets her makeup done. And she goes to a party where Boaz is at, and she waits for him to have a few beers, and ends up at the foot of his bed. We’ll talk about it next week, okay? Some of you are like, “Where are you going?” I have no idea. You could pray for me. This is perhaps the funkiest chapter in the whole Old Testament. All of a sudden it’s like Ruth goes on Spring Break hiatus. I mean, it’s just weird. It gets, it’s weird. So, I gotta figure out where I’m gonna go with it. So read ahead, and pray for me, but whatever you do, don’t read ahead and do it, ‘cause we haven’t even
talked about it yet. So come back next week before you buy clear heels and a tanning package. Okay? Come back before you get there. We’ll go there next week. It will be good. If you have fundamentalistic, legalistic, moralistic, baptistic tendencies, bring some Tylenol. I assure you, your head will explode next week. But it will be good.
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HUMOR
Part 2 of Religion Saves
Pastor Mark Driscoll | January 13, 2008
... Well, the truth is, we are trying to put the fun back into fundamentalism.(Laughter) That is our secondary mission, in addition to pointing to Jesus. So, I do make fun of all kinds of people. I make fun of rappers with grills and spinner rims, and girlfriends in clear heels who make their living one dollar bill at a time. I make fun of indie rockers, who drive little mopeds and wear all black and smoke American Spirit cigarettes and wear those little pants with the really close, brought-in pegged legs, like the ’80s girl pants.
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SEXUAL SIN
Part 5 of Religion Saves
Pastor Mark Driscoll | Romans 1 | February 03, 2008
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And in our day, this includes something that I call “naughty coffee.” I don’t know if you’ve seen the proliferation of naughty coffee around Seattle. Naughty coffee are these drive-thru sort of coffee stands that usually have a glass door, so you can see the woman inside, who’s wearing clear heels, lingerie, a push-up bra, nearly altogether naked, leaning over the counter to deliver coffee to some guy who should be struck dead in an instant and sent to hell for what he’s thinking as he receives his naughty coffee from the naughty nurse. Have you seen these things? If you have, shame on you.
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If not, you will see them; they’re all over the city. I witnessed one the other day. Literally, it was a glass coffee shop. You could see the woman completely underdressed in it. And it advertised the name of the barista, who was available, and that naughty coffee stand was right across from a school bus stop for a public school.
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And some, as well, tell us that this has led to a whole nation of sexual addicts. Not just people who are sexual sinners, but are sexually addicted. Whereas, Paul says not to be mastered by anything – they are mastered by this sexual temptation and sin.
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Regarding addiction, there are various kinds of addiction. Ultimately, it all comes out of the heart that is fallen and depraved and has desires and yearnings that are unholy. And it can work itself out with food or sex or money or power or alcohol – all kinds of manifestation.
But maybe to diagnose you, you could ask these kinds of questions. First of all, addiction begins with tolerance. That’s the first step. You know it’s wrong, but you accept it. You’re okay with it. You learn to live with it. You excuse yourself.
Secondly, then, there are withdrawal symptoms. If you don’t satisfy those depraved desires, then you physically and mentally begin to crave them. There are withdrawal systems. You get depressed. You get frustrated. You get desirous in an unhealthy way.
Mark Driscoll | Sex: A Study of the Good Bits of Song of Solomon
Edinburgh, Scotland on November 18,2007 about 23:05
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―Like an apple tree among the trees of the forest, she says, ―is my lover among the young men. I delight to sit in his shade and his fruit is sweet to my taste. What is she talking about? Oral sex on her husband. That as he stands, she likes to be beneath him and his taste is sweet. It is a euphemism for oral sex, in your Bible. The Jews wouldn‘t even let men read this until they were married or thirty. Now you know why. You‘ve got Jewish boys under the blankets at night with a candle. [Laughter from audience.] Men, I am glad to report to you that oral sex is biblical. Amen? [Minimal response from audience.] No, you can do better than that. [Laughter from audience] The wife performing oral sex on the husband is biblical. God‘s men said, Amen. Ladies, your husbands appreciate oral sex. They do. So, serve them, love them well. It‘s biblical. Right here. We have a verse. The fruit of her husband is sweet to her taste and she delights to be beneath
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I'll tell you a story if you don't tell anyone else of a man who started attending our church because of oral sex. Right? So many women go to church. In your country it's sixty or seventy percent. "My husband won't come to church. He doesn't have any interest in the things of God. He doesn't understand why church would apply to him." We had a woman like that in our church. She became a Christian. Her husband was not a Christian. He hated the church, wanted nothing to do with the church. She kept browbeating him about Jesus. "You need to get saved. You're gonna burn in hell."
He had no interest in that.
And so, finally, I was teaching a class on sex and she said, "Oh, so oral sex on a husband is what a wife is supposed to do?" I said, "Yes." She said, "My husband's always wanted that but I've refused him." I went to 1 Peter 3. I said, "The Bible says that if your husband is not a Christian that you are to win him over with deeds of kindness." I said, "So go home and tell your husband that you were in a Bible study today and that God has convicted you of sin. And repent and go perform oral sex on your husband and tell him that Jesus, Jesus Christ commands you to do so." [emphasis added] The next week the man showed up at church. He came up to me, he said, "You know, this is a really good church." That handing out tracts on the street thing, there's a better way to see revival, I assure you of that.
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--you say, "Won't that make me dirty?" No, it'll make you a good wife, and ladies, let me assure you of this, if you think you're being dirty he's pretty happy.
Real Marriage: the truth about sex, friendship and life togetherMark and Grace DriscollThomas Nelsoncopyright (c) 2012 by On Mission, LLCISBN 978-1-4041-8352-0page 164
As with many things in marriage, communication is key. When I came to the conclusion that the cure for a lot of my moodiness was having more frequent sex with my wife, I simply told her. Yes, it's that simple. For years, when I would endure depression, I tried to talk to Grace about it. Her natural inclination was to want to have long talks about our feelings toward each other, and I know that connecting with her like this is important. But sometimes I was just too frustrated and ended up blowing up and hurting her feelings. The truth was I wanted to have more frequent sex with my life, and we needed to discuss how that could happen. [emphasis added]To make matters worse, seemingly every book I read by Christians on sex and marriage sounded unfair. Nearly every one said the husband had to work very hard to understand his wife, to relate to her, and when he did that to her satisfaction then, maybe, she would have sex with him as a sort of reward. After many years I finally told Grace that I needed more sex. I asked if we could have sex more days of the week and try a variety of positions. She'd be the one to decide exactly how we would be together. Grace said that helped her think about our intimacy throughout the course of the day, which helped prepare her mind and body. To our mutual delight, we discovered that both of us felt closer more loved and understood, and were more patient with each other if we were together regularly in some way. And whether my depression was testosterone-induced or not, I just generally felt happier.
...The crystalline clarity with which they condemn pornography is why it is so distressing that much of the counsel they provide to couples is more grounded in our pornographic culture than in the pages of Scripture. Examples could be multiplied, but for the sake of space I will only mention two.[4] The Driscolls say, “One of our culture’s powerful lies—fueled by pornography, sinful lust, and marketing—is that having a standard of beauty is in any way holy or helpful. God does not give us a standard of beauty—God gives us spouses” (108). A few chapters later, however, they commend cosmetic surgery saying, “There are many reasons cosmetic surgery may be beneficial. It can make us more attractive to our spouse. And if our appearance is improved, we feel more comfortable being seen naked by our spouses, which can increase our freedom in lovemaking” (197). The contradiction inherent in these two comments took my breath away. How does the call to delight in the appearance of one’s spouse commend expensive and permanent procedures which alter the appearance or enhance the features of the spouse who was supposed to be the standard of beauty before their surgical metamorphosis?
That is not all. In another place the Driscolls say, “Seeking to emulate what their husbands view in porn compels women to push their bodies beyond God’s creation design” (148). Then, only pages later, the Driscolls commend anal sex as a potentially helpful practice in marriage. The contradictory nature of such phrases is astounding. It is difficult to imagine a more degrading, dangerous, and pornographic practice than this one. Few other sexual acts could be identified which more clearly push a woman’s body beyond God’s creation design.
Another problem with the way the Driscolls treat pornography has to do with the reality that many people will be guided to pornography because of their book. Make no mistake: men and women will be introduced to pornography because of this book. For almost my entire ministry I have been talking to at least one person a week who struggles with pornography. I do not live in some sheltered ministry context away from people with perverse struggles. As true as that is the Driscolls taught me a lot about pornography I wish I never knew. The Driscolls introduce their readers to the titles of pornographic books, magazines, and videos, they provide technical names for specific kinds of pornographic films, they list the names of celebrities who have starred in pornography, they even provide web addresses where readers can meet people for sex. As I look back on that sentence I am overwhelmed that a Christian minister could be so irresponsible. I can tell you for an absolute fact that there are young men and women all across the country who will read Real Marriage, have their interest piqued by some of the details the Driscolls provide, will turn to Google for a search on those things, and will not come up for air again for hours—perhaps months and years. If you or someone you love struggles with pornography the Driscolls’ book will do serious damage....
