Monday, December 02, 2013

Mefferd posts more material presented as evidence of Driscoll plagiarism, a couple of additional details

http://www.janetmefferd.com/plagiarism-two-driscoll-books/

"Another example of uncited material has been uncovered in a book written by Pastor Mark Driscoll. In this case, it occurred in the book he and his wife, Grace, wrote in 2012, called Real Marriage” (Published by Thomas Nelson; 2012). This example first was noticed and cited by the blog Wenatchee the Hatchet on Sept. 30, 2013:"

For clarification, the first time Wenatchee The Hatchet mentioned the subject of Grace Driscoll's chapter 7 from Real Marriage in connection to Dan Allender was actually July 4, 2013 but it was not until September 30, 2013 that a back-to-back comparison of Driscoll and Allender was published.  The 9/30/2013 post presented to show just how much conceptual overlap there is between Grace Driscoll's use of the terms "Good Girl", "Tough Girl", and "Party Girl" in Real Marriage on the one hand, and Allender's coining of the terms in his 1990 book on the other.  But if you want to read the first post where Wenatchee noticed the overlap between Grace Driscoll's chapter 7 in Real Marriage and Dan Allender's chapter 9 of The Wounded Heart you'll actually want to go to this blog post and not just the one from September 30, 2013.

http://wenatcheethehatchet.blogspot.com/2013/07/real-marriage-chapter-7-grace-and.html

The evidence comparing Driscoll to Edmondson has already been subject to some disagreement.  Sure, citing comments from people using pseudonyms at The Wartburg Watch is not going to pass muster with many but the point here is to show that one person thinks Edmondson may have plagiarized Driscoll and not the other way around:

http://thewartburgwatch.com/2013/12/02/breaking-two-more-examples-of-possible-driscoll-intellectual-property-acquisition/#comment-121823
Jon CANADA on said:
@ Daisy:

Did Driscoll plagiarize other works? It sure looks that way. But what I’m saying is that her latest accusation casts more doubt on Edmondson — Driscoll’s forgiveness stuff came from a sermon on Luke preached in 2010 (before Edmondson’s blog). So again, this evidence shows that Edmondson plagiarized Driscoll.

username TW went so far as to suggest that both Driscoll and Edmondson may have borrowed or used material from someone else entirely:
http://thewartburgwatch.com/2013/12/02/breaking-two-more-examples-of-possible-driscoll-intellectual-property-acquisition/#comment-121822
TW UNITED ARAB EMIRATES on said:
Jon wrote:
Driscoll preached the same stuff in a sermon from Luke 11 in September of 2010 so maybe Ron Edmonson plagiarized Mark …
Jon may be correct about Driscoll’s material not coming from Edmonson. I found the sermon I think Jon is referring to here:http://marshill.com/media/luke/the-lords-prayer
Driscoll preached it on September 26, 2010. The earliest list I could find from Edmonson was on a blog post dated May 20, 2011:http://www.ronedmondson.com/2011/05/7-things-forgiveness-is-not.html

I took some notes on Driscoll’s sermon and came up with these 10 points:
forgiveness is not approving or diminishing sin.
forgiveness is not enabling sin
forgiveness is not denying the wrong doing
forgiveness is not waiting for an apilogy
forgiveness is not forgetting
forgiveness is not ceasing to feel the pain
forgiveness is not a one time event
forgiveness is not neglecting justice
forgiveness is not trusting
forgiveness is not reconciliation


While conducting my search however I came across some material that may perhaps indicate both Driscoll and Edmonson didn’t give credit where credit is due.
In Ray Pritchard’s “The Healing Power of Forgiveness,” published in 2005 Pritchard writes:

Sometimes when we say we can’t or won’t forgive, we are actually talking about something other than biblical forgiveness. Let me list a few things forgiveness does not mean:

1. It does not mean approving of what someone else did.
2. It does not mean pretending that evil never took place.
3. It does not mean making an excuse for other people’s bad behavior.
4. It does not mean justifying evil so that sin somehow becomes less sinful.
5. It does not mean overlooking abuse.
6. It does not mean denying that others tried to hurt you repeatedly.
7. It does not mean letting others walk all over you.
8. It does not mean refusing to press charges when a crime has been committed.
9. It does not mean forgetting the wrong that was done.
10. It does not mean pretending you were never hurt.
11. It does not mean you must restore the relationship to what it was before.
12. It does not mean you must become friends again.
13. It does not mean there must be a total reconciliation as if nothing ever happened.
14. It does not mean that you must tell the person you have forgiven them.
15. It does not mean that all the negative consequences of sin are canceled.


http://secondmilechurch.wordpress.com/2010/11/09/15-things-forgiveness-doesnt-mean/

I would think it would behoove Mark Driscoll to come clean. He has way to many people checking into his work now.


Some of the citations Mefferd has made have themselves come up for question by those who are not convinced of specific cases.  There are those who think Edmondson may have copied Driscoll and others who think both may have used material from Ray Pritchard.

Wenatchee The Hatchet is not really in a position to field the Driscoll/Edmondson/Pritchard nexus, but can at least clarify that mention at this blog of the Driscoll/Allender overlap goes back as far as July 4, 2013. 

POSTSCRIPT,
At the risk of being even more pedantic than some readers might already suspect, Allender uses the terms "Good Girl", "Tough Girl" and "Party Girl" but makes a point, in a very long endnote, that the terms are not meant to be strictly seen as referring to females but are just a shorthand that refers to a general style of relating that may be used by males and females. 


1 comment:

Headless Unicorn Guy said...

Some of the speculation over at TWW is that they were just using the same ghostwriters. A sermon Ghostwriting service called "Docent" keeps getting mentioned.

Again, Tom Lehrer...