Sunday, August 28, 2016

since Mark Driscoll Ministries features The Hardest Part of Ministry and still mentions how child molesters visited the Driscoll home, there's a 1-21-2001 sermon in which Mark Driscoll described one such visitation in his Gospel of John sermon series

Since Mark Driscoll has seen fit to bring back something he published in October 2013 more or less as is, and since the marshill.se website gives us an opportunity to refer back to old sermons that got purged and may or may not resurface in other ways at Mark Driscoll Ministries, we have an opportunity to revisit Driscoll's tales of woe.  In particular, we can compare and contrast the 2013 bullet points of anxiety with the way Driscoll may have discussed those kinds of incidents much, much closer to the time those events occurred.

For instance, take the following statement:

http://markdriscoll.org/the-hardest-part-of-ministry/

  • Twice I have arrived home from work to find a registered sex offender seeking to engage with my family while waiting to talk with me.
What's interesting about this is that former attender Mark Yetman shared a story at the website We Love Mars Hill.  He has an anecdote worth sharing.

http://welovemarshill.com/post/89384014008/mark-yetman

...  I started going to Mark’s house by the Montlake bridge for a men’s bible study. His uber-macho/hyperbolic public persona practically disappeared. He revealed a man that was Christ-filled caring and compassionate man. I remember one time him speaking about having a child-molester in his house and was uneasy about it but believed that Christ had changed this man’s heart. I remember one time someone asked if we were related because of are similar coloring and block shaped heads. It was the high-water mark for me and it seemed the sky was the limit.

Then the winter came. My wife and I went back east to see friends and family for the holidays. When we got back something had changed. We started hearing about “Headship” and then I found Midrash. I missed out on the on the whole “Pussified Nation” thread but I read enough to be confused. My wife and I were wondering what the hell happened while we were away. Things had radically changed in our eyes.

Since Mark Yetman mentioned hearing Driscoll talk about the changed heart of a man who had been a child molester during the 2000-2003 period here's a possible candidate for a sermon, preached in early 2001, in which Driscoll talked about a case where a man who had been a child molester visited the Driscoll home. 

http://download.marshill.se/files/2001/01/21/20010121_fishes-and-loaves_sd_audio.mp3
FISHES AND LOAVES
Part 12 of The Gospel of John
Pastor Mark Driscoll | John 6:1-14 | January 21, 2001

...
32.00
And I remember – I’ll tell you one story that kind of just sort of summarizes how I view this. My daughter was upstairs. She was about two-years-old taking her nap, and she was laying in her bed sleeping away – the bed that her grandmother had given her. She came downstairs and I was meeting with a guy who was sitting on my couch really struggling with a sin. He had been a child molester and was wondering whether or not he could become a Christian and whether God could forgive him of what he had done. And if you know me, I have very little compassion on men, especially men who take advantage of women and children. So this was really hard for me, especially being a first time father with a little daughter that I adored. And I was like, “You know, scripture says though that Christ has died for all our sins and there’s nothing that is beyond God’s grace in Christ. There’s nothing that God can’t forgive you of.”


And he’s crying. He says, “Do you really think that that’s possible? Do you really think that I could be forgiven for this?”

And it was interesting because my daughter came downstairs from her nap, and he was sitting on the couch that was given to us, and she looked at him and she saw him crying and she said, “Daddy, why is he crying?”

I said, “Well because he sinned. He did a bad thing and he feels bad about that.”

And she says, “Well we should pray for him.” So she climbs up on his lap and prays for him. She had no idea why he was crying, but I thought, “Man, if this is not the whole world coming together right here.” I mean it’s fishes and loaves. Somebody helped us get this house. Somebody gave us that couch. My daughter comes downstairs, sits on his lap, and then all of a sudden God’s grace gets multiplied right in the life of someone who’s very guilty of their sin, but now God has given them grace through a little girl and she didn’t even know she was doing it. She just thought she was praying for someone in need.

We have seen this over and over and over. It’s just amazing. ...

When you listen to the sermon there's Mark Driscoll describing how he felt nervous about this guy being in his home but without any sense of urgency or a sense that his child might be in immediate peril.  It may be that at so early a date only Ashley and Zachariah were born by early 2001.  In this account Ashley is the active agent by coming down from a nap and deciding to pray for the man.  Driscoll also describes the scene in terms of a kind of cosmic kismet in which divine mercy is shown.  If so, well, that's 2001. 

By 2013 every detail of such an encounter is superfluous to the litany of danger Mark Driscoll said his family has faced during his time in ministry.  And that's as may have been, but a Driscoll parent had to let the guy in the front door. And a decade or more later former attenders like Mark Yetman could remember Mark Driscoll talking about how there was grace for a child molester memorable enough that it was possible to trawl up what is possibly the sermon in which such an account was shared. 

3 comments:

chris e said...

Evidently the author of the piece himself would have moved on, but nevertheless interesting to see that at the point at which he experienced the events, a song on the radio could have been taken as confirmation.

Growing up this was common amongst younger charismatics/pentecostals, but unless they were crazy charismatic they were unlikely to persist in this level of belief as they grew older.

Wenatchee the Hatchet said...

I've still got some more posts about Francis Schaeffer compared to Leonard B. Meyer incubating. I've also got some stuff I've thought about blogging about implications I see in Meyer's observation about how syntactic vs statistical forms provide a possible conceptual basis for synthesizing sonata forms with ragtime based on the observation Meyer made that a syntactic closure/climax can appear as early as halfway through a piece, which to me would invite the possibility of parallelism between recapitulating A material in a ragtime comparable to recapitulating theme 1 in a more conventional sonata.

But, yeah, somebody keeps insisting on being in the spotlight by way of the nostalgia train.

Now that I've finally gottern around to reading Jacques Ellul it reminds me of his proposal that Marx was animated by a powerful sensation of community of the sort an impressionable adolescent can get. Maybe we're all delusional visionaries as Western teenagers. ;)

Wenatchee the Hatchet said...

what's amazing, looking back fifteen some years later, is that if you'd asked Driscoll whether he was a cessationist or not he'd say in 2001 that he basically was,. These kinds of moments where he seemed to believe God was divinely orchestrating everything so people were giving him free stuff so a guy could show up at his house and be blessed by a divine providence just applied to him, apparently.