Thursday, May 05, 2016

Mark DeMoss off board of Liberty U. in wake of public disagreement with Falwell Jr's Trump endorsement, revisiting the irony of DeMoss being concerned about Trump's bullying but not quite Driscoll's

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/warrenthrockmorton/2016/05/05/mark-demoss-criticism-of-jerry-falwell-jrs-trump-endorsement/
... in late April, according to DeMoss, the executive committee of the Liberty University Board of Trustees voted to ask DeMoss to resign from the Board’s executive committee. For many years, DeMoss chaired that same committee.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/03/01/jerry-falwell-jr-s-trump-endorsement-draws-objections-from-his-late-fathers-confidant/
...
"Donald Trump is the only candidate who has dealt almost exclusively in the politics of personal insult,” DeMoss said. “The bullying tactics of personal insult have no defense — and certainly not for anyone who claims to be a follower of Christ. That’s what’s disturbing to so many people. It’s not Christ-like behavior that Liberty has spent 40 years promoting with its students.”

It appears that DeMoss is off the board at Liberty University. 

We noted the irony a few months ago about Mark DeMoss having sounded off on Trump while being listed (even today) as a prayer supporter of Driscoll.
http://wenatcheethehatchet.blogspot.com/2016/03/irony-alert-mark-demoss-sounds-note-of.html
http://thetrinitychurch.com/support/

DeMoss is listed as a supporter of Mark "there is a pile of dead bodies behind the Mars Hill bus" Driscoll.  Now even if someone were to say that William Wallace II was all an act, a parallel between Trump and Driscoll isn't implausible.  Both men built careers as public figures sounding off on various topics via screens with a week or so for editing as an interval.  Anyone recall that in the earliest coverage of Driscoll he was willing to joke that he was to the right of Pat Buchanan on politics?  And we should note that even if we assume Mark Driscoll really apologized for the substance of what he said as William Wallace II in his 2006 book (which he didn't) Driscoll's never addressed the "pile of dead bodies" statement from 2007 that was made public by Chris Rosebrough around 2012.

Nor, for that matter, has Paul Tripp's comment that Mars Hill was the most abusive ministry culture he'd seen been addressed by either Mark Driscoll or Mark DeMoss.

http://religionnews.com/2014/08/28/mars-hill-pastors-letter-mark-driscoll-step-down-ministry-leadership/

 "This is without a doubt, the most abusive, coercive ministry culture I’ve ever been involved with,” former Mars Hill pastor Paul Tripp said.
If Mark DeMoss's objections about Trump's use of the politics of personal insults were to have any weight, it might help if he'd clarified that the politics of personal insults as practiced by Mark Driscoll was objectionable, too, or that we might have some evidence that Driscoll was really changed.

But ...
http://wenatcheethehatchet.blogspot.com/2016/04/throckmorton-driscoll-provides-update.html

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/02/21/mars-hill-s-controversial-pastor-mark-driscoll-is-back-with-a-new-megachurch-in-phoenix.html
02.20.16 9:01 PM ET
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Driscoll’s new website lists more than two dozen church leaders who are “praying for The Trinity Church.” Among them is Mark DeMoss, owner of a Christian public relations firm who worked for Mars Hill in 2014 during the church’s many crises. DeMoss is not working for The Trinity Church, but said he’s just trying to “be a friend,” and offered insight into what he says are Driscoll’s plans.


“I think he’s very realistic and he realizes that he might launch a church speaking to 100 people. I don’t think he’s under any big idea that he’s going to open the doors and have a megachurch immediately. But, I think he has the potential to do that again.” [emphasis added]

Although DeMoss wouldn’t name anyone in particular, he says Driscoll “spent a considerable amount of time reaching out to people that he knew or thought he had offended or hurt in some way and did whatever he could do to right those relationships. He’s had some success with that, but there have been some people who were not receptive to a restored relationship.”

So according to DeMoss, Driscoll was being realistic and realized he might launch a church speaking to 100 people and wasn't under any big idea he would open doors and have a megachurch immediately.

Right, so ... .

http://thetrinitychurch.com/the-trinity-church-welcomes-you-to-our-easter-open-house-2/
...
Pastor Mark and his family moved to the Phoenix valley last year. After spending months praying specifically for a church building with 1,000+ seats along the 101 Freeway, Pastor Mark believes that God has supernaturally provided. [emphasis added] Like most older church buildings, this one needs some service projects and financial investment to make it a good home, but we are excited about its potential.

We know that God has gone before us, preparing an opportunity to minister. This building provides a wonderful opportunity for our mission: Why? So that lives and legacies are transformed!
We've noted this before, too, that it would seem that if Mark Driscoll's turned over a new leaf that holding out for a 1,000+ seat venue able to host multiple services before formally launching a church doesn't look like turning over that new a leaf.  Twenty years ago Mark Driscoll, notoriously, was okay with maybe a dozen-ish people at a Bible study that was sort of a church plant.  Now he's hoping for an Airstream and talking about how if your dream isn't so big that only God could get it to work then it's not ... big enough?  Driscoll, by his own account ten years ago, was shooting for the moon and plotting world domination. There is no evidence, based on his recent vodcast statements about having a vision so big that without God it can't work, that Driscoll's doing much more than recycling his old vision-casting approach and recycling his old sermons and wanting a vastly bigger launch for this new church than the one he started twenty years ago.

POSTSCRIPT/UPDATE 5-6-2016

in a "the title pretty much says it, it seems" Throckmorton has reported that ...
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/warrenthrockmorton/2016/05/06/liberty-university-says-there-were-other-reasons-board-members-were-upset-with-mark-demoss/

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