Tuesday, April 07, 2015

Throckmorton, "The Mars Hill Church Mailing List Was Being Distributed By…John Doe?" the recent apology from Dean and more research raise more questions about what happened with the list selling

As has been noted here and elsewhere ...

Justin Dean published an apology stating that what he did was wrong and he was sorry.  Exactly what he was saying he was sorry for has not yet been completely clear since on the one hand Dean denied having sold a list that Craig Gross has indicated he is fairly sure he actually did buy from Justin Dean. While the public apologies were nice, there's been this mystery as to how on earth the list was available for Dean to distribute to a couple of people (by his account) who then put the list up for sale.  It isn't clear how Dean had possession of the asset of the list to begin with.  In the not in the ordinary domain of business the people with the power to sell or distribute assets would be members of the Mars Hill Board of Advisors and Accountability, which Dean has never been a member of, as best we can tell.  And yet it would be helpful for the BoAA to clarify things, if that's possible, because since the formal dissolution was announced the only group that seems explicitly authorized to have let Justin Dean even have access to the list to begin with would be the current BoAA.

Then again, how long did Justin Dean have the list?  Was it possible he had the list even before the dissolution was announced?  It may not be relevant but it could be a variable to consider.  Dean's apology from the more recent apology explicitly stated it would be illegal to use the list without permission from Mars Hill. But, at the risk of asking an obvious question, why?  Why would it be illegal for people who bought a list to use it?  Because the list was sold in a transaction that was not legal?  If not, why not? 

So, with all that introduction, Warren Throckmorton has some more information that can be considered. WtH will quote the most pertinent segments that stood out for those not in the habit of going over and reading the whole thing once linked.


Not really, but that was the name given to register Churchleaderslist.com. You’ll remember that churchleaderslist.com was the website used to offer Mars Hill Church’s The Resurgence mailing list to the public. Churchleaderslist.com was pulled from the web and from twitter after it was learned that the list still belonged to Mars Hill Church. Craig Gross who purchased and used the list told Christianity Today that former Mars Hill Church spokesperson Justin Dean had sold him the list and then refunded the money after it became public knowledge that the list was still the property of Mars Hill Church.

The quick summary quotations would be:

The identity of the registrant of churchleaderslist.com was hidden via privacy shield supplied by a Whoisproxy.com Ltd. This is a common manner of shielding addresses and phone numbers from the public. However, such shielding is not supposed to be done for unethical or illegal purposes. Last week, I wrote the privacy company about the matter. I was informed that the privacy shield would be removed which it was earlier today. Here is the registration information now:

... and ...

John Doe? By law, information provided in the registration of a domain is supposed to be factual. However, I doubt John Doe residing at 1234 Doe in Beverly Hills is the real owner. According to a contact at Google, there is no additional underlying information available. A search of the domain history turns up nothing more of interest. From the beginning of March, when the domain was registered, the owner was protecting the identity of John Doe.

As it turns out, domainguy99@gmail.com may actually be a working email. A search for this email on Google reveals the email attached to a domain owned by Justin Dean since 2013 — churchcomm.com.  If you place this address in the address line of your browser, you will be redirected to the website of Ministry Communicators Association, a non-profit founded by Dean. Dean has apparently changed the registration information since March 28 because one needs to go to the Google cache to find the domainguy99@gmail.com address. [emphasis added]
A commenter left the following:
Mark Boyer

Justin Dean's, if you don't want to click below...
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