Wednesday, March 25, 2015

for the moment, Justin Dean's site has gone into a Maintainence mode, the question about how the list was made available to Church Leaders List still open-ended.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/warrenthrockmorton/2015/03/25/how-did-church-leaders-list-get-mars-hill-churchs-email-list/

Throckmorton has noted that lately Justin Dean's site seems to be down.
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Now Justin Dean’s website is down and so that statement is not available (except via Google cache) and screen cap below.

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According to Craig Gross’ explanation, Dean’s involvement may have been that Dean was churchleaderlist.com. I asked Dean yesterday and today about his dealings with Church Leaders List but have not heard back from him. Gross wrote:
I found  it interesting that as soon as I posted this that Justin Dean posted a blog on his website that he somewhat apologized for distributing the list to me. Lets be clear, he sold the list to me. He didn’t broker a transaction. He sold me the list along with several other people who paid $1350-$1500 for the list.
I asked the lawyer that was in charge selling the assets for 100k earlier in 2014 and he said that no one has purchased the rights to sell these assets yet.
I have seen communications which indicate to me that Mars Hill Church has not sold The Resurgence email lists. Thus, if the lists have not been sold by Mars Hill Church, then how did Church Leaders List get them?

Read more: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/warrenthrockmorton/2015/03/25/how-did-church-leaders-list-get-mars-hill-churchs-email-list/#ixzz3VSMqGbKN

It would seem as though only a select number of people would have the authorization to give the list to anyone for any use.  While Justin Dean's account of things, lately removed, took time to say Mark Driscoll was not involved in the transaction not having mentioned Mark Driscoll at all could have ensured that. 
Dean wrote:

I did not intend for this to happen nor did I know that it was going to happen. I am deeply saddened that someone who claims to be a pastor would use a list to attack another pastor and spread gossip. Pastor Mark was not involved in this at all, even though Craig is trying to claim that he was.
So it's possible he wasn't the one who posted a link to an advertisement on March 19, 2015.  Maybe someone else connected to Ministry Communicators Association did that.  It's possible. 

List buying and selling is, it should be said, thoroughly normal.  If there's anything mildly unusual it's that Craig Gross spammed folks with something mentioning Driscoll as a lead-in to a promotion.  Pretty tacky as these things go but it's hard to see it as even as tacky as the iPad mini promotion Driscoll's team had going a while back.

The question still lingering is how and why the list was made available to parties that included someone who decided to put the list up for sale.  If Justin Dean were to clear the air by saying all the names of the parties that were recipients in the distribution of the list that could clear things up ... if that's possible or practical. 

Perhaps when Dean's site is back up and running there may be some clarifying statements.  We'll just have to wait and see.


UPDATE
03-25-2015
10:15PM

It appears that at the moment Justin Dean's Twitter is also down.


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Justin Dean · Top Commenter · Buford, Georgia

Rob, you make some great points. I owe you an apology. I could have asked you privately about the tax lien but chose to post it and use it against you. That was wrong and I'm sorry. Please forgive me. I'm sure there's more to the story and that is your story to tell or not tell. We disagree on many things but I'd rather not get involved than attack you back online. If there's ever an issue going forward I'll bring it to you first next time, and appreciate if you'd do the same. Again, I'm sorry.


Reply · · April 1 at 5:10am