Thursday, March 26, 2015

Craig Gross writes more about the list/spam situation "Last TMZ Post", and a new development on the Dean/MCA side (something's down)

there was this, earlier
http://www.craiggross.com/post/114475804871/my-run-in-with-buying-an-email-list

and there has since been this
http://www.craiggross.com/post/114672927831/last-tmz-post

Earlier in the week Wenatchee The Hatchet wondered if it was possible the spam list was comprised of materials that would have been available to Resurgence Publishing Inc.  Selling lists is common practice.  Well, no, that got cleared up by Craig Gross's clarifying statements.  And we had a visitor to testify on the Resurgence Publishing side that it (and by specific extension Sutton Turner) had nothing to do with the recent spam list sale.

So that pretty much leaves the multiple unnamed parties that may or may not have been given some kind of list of contacts by somebody and for the time being Justin Dean's gone silent.

For sake of review of what Gross wrote earlier:
I found it interesting that as soon as I posted this that Justin Dean posted a blog on his website that he somewhat apologized for distributing the list to me. Lets be clear, he sold the list to me. He didn’t broker a transaction. He sold me the list along with several other people who paid $1350-$1500 for the list.

I asked the lawyer that was in charge selling the assets for 100k earlier in 2014 and he said that no one has purchased the rights to sell these assets yet.

I found it interesting that on December 16th the WHOIS registrar data has been updated for over 100 websites that Mars Hill once owned and now they state that are owned by who else but… Justin Dean.

But at the moment it's not clear who actually sold the list.  Dean seems to have said he was party to it but was not the person who brokered the sale, while Craig Gross' understanding seems to be that Dean directed Gross to a resource at which a list could be bought.  It seems to be the understanding of Gross Dean sold him the list.

At the moment Justin Dean's twitter and his website is still in maintenance mode.

Lately removed was the March 19, 2015 2:13pm plug for Church Leaders List presented earlier this week at Wenatchee The Hatchet.


behold, the ad ... it's almost like somebody came along and said, "I know, how about a magic trick? I will make this advert disappear." 
Ta-da!

It's ... gone.

The question of who was given the list by Justin Dean (at least by Justin Dean's account earlier this week) that could have sold the information has not been answered and for the time being it isn't clear the question ever will be answered.  I.e. "How Did Church Leaders List Get Mars Hill Church’s Email List?" may not get an answer.

2 comments:

Heartbroken said...

Gross ended up editing out the part about the websites being registered to Justin Dean. Can that claim be verified?

Wenatchee the Hatchet said...

the claim, not so sure about, but the statements made by Gross at the time ... that may be possible.