Tuesday, December 30, 2014

2-5-2008 spiritual warfare Part 3 part 4 commentary 2, noting the kinds of dirty in the 08 warfare session and the 07 scotland sermon

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I dealt with one girl, years ago. She was repeatedly sexually abused as a child and then raped and a couple of the older men (I think it was an uncle and a grandpa) who would molest, after they were done with her they would say, this is what they'd tell her, "You're a dirty girl. That's why I make you do dirty things." She grew up, she was a very perverted girl, very sexually active, way out of control and I was talking to her and I asked the spirit. She had all kinds of supernatural issues and clairvoyance and she was really in trouble. I asked, I said, "What is the most effective lie or accusation you tell her?" And they said, "You're a dirty girl, I said, so you do dirty things." I said, "Well Jesus died for all your sins and he cleanses you from all your unrighteousness. That's a lie. You're not a dirty girl and you don't need to do dirty things. You're not a dirty girl and you don't need to do dirty things but if you believe that lie and accusation you're going to live as a dirty girl who does dirty things."

The story Driscoll related in 2008 about the girl who is described above isn't placed in any particular time or place in the history of Mars Hill or Mark Driscoll's ministry.

At the risk of relying on someone else's transcription from the Scotland sermon of 2007
http://peterlumpkins.typepad.com/files/driscoll-scotland-sermon-copypdf.pdf
about 23:05
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8sNVDyW-ws&feature=youtu.be


―Like an apple tree among the trees of the forest,‖ she says, ―is my lover among the young men. I delight to sit in his shade and his fruit is sweet to my taste.‖ What is she talking about? Oral sex on her husband. That as he stands, she likes to be beneath him and his taste is sweet. It is a euphemism for oral sex, in your Bible. The Jews wouldn‘t even let men read this until they were married or thirty. Now you know why. You‘ve got Jewish boys under the blankets at night with a candle. [Laughter from audience.] Men, I am glad to report to you that oral sex is biblical. Amen? [Minimal response from audience.] No, you can do better than that. [Laughter from audience] The wife performing oral sex on the husband is biblical. God‘s men said, Amen. Ladies, your husbands appreciate oral sex. They do. So, serve them, love them well. It‘s biblical. Right here. We have a verse. The fruit of her husband is sweet to her taste and she delights to be beneath

Lumpkins' failure (most likely by inclination) to transcribe the actual story Driscoll shared failed to capture the wording Driscoll used in his 2007 Scotland sermon.  It's worth recounting in connection to the other story about a dirty girl because it's a way to frame the contrasting use of "dirty" by Driscoll. 

The story of Driscoll telling a married woman in the church to provide oral sex to her husband as though commanded directly by Jesus goes as follows:

24:17
I'll tell you a story if you don't tell anyone else of a man who started attending our church because of oral sex. Right? So many women go to church. In your country it's sixty or seventy percent. "My husband won't come to church. He doesn't have any interest in the things of God. He doesn't understand why church would apply to him." We had a woman like that in our church. She became a Christian. Her husband was not a Christian. He hated the church, wanted nothing to do with the church. She kept browbeating him about Jesus. "You need to get saved. You're gonna burn in hell."

He had no interest in that. 

And so, finally, I was teaching a class on sex and she said, "Oh, so oral sex on a husband is what a wife is supposed to do?" I said, "Yes." She said, "My husband's always wanted that but I've refused him." I went to 1 Peter 3. I said, "The Bible says that if your husband is not a Christian that you are to win him over with deeds of kindness." I said, "So go home and tell your husband that you were in a Bible study today and that God has convicted you of sin.  And repent and go perform oral sex on your husband and tell him that Jesus, Jesus Christ commands you to do so." The next week the man showed up at church. He came up to me, he said, "You know, this is a really good church." That handing out tracts on the street thing, there's a better way to see revival, I assure you of that.

Driscoll would go on to say many husbands don't know how to please their wives sexually because they aren't told what to do
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28:29
--you say, "Won't that make me dirty?" No, it'll make you a good wife, and ladies, let me assure you of this, if you think you're being dirty he's pretty happy.

While the way in which Driscoll made the statement may have been misconstrued or misrepresented by Lumpkins' failure to thoroughly transcribe the story could be significant, it may still be worth noting that the Scotland sermon was just a few months before the 2008 warfare session.  The Scotland sermon was given about a month and a half after the terminations of Petry and Meyer and shortly after, if memory serves, the bylaws drafted by Jamie Munson were voted through by the elders of Mars Hill.
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