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William Wallace II
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posted 12-05-2000 08:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for William Wallace II   Click Here to Email William Wallace II     Edit/Delete Message

We live in a completely pussified nation. We could get every man, real man as opposed to pussified James Dobson knock-off crying Promise Keeping homoerotic worship loving mama's boy sensitive emasculated neutered exact male replica evangellyfish, and have a conference in a phone booth. It all began with Adam, the first of the pussified nation, who kept his mouth shut and watched everything fall headlong down the slippery slide of hell/feminism when he shut his mouth and listened to his wife who thought Satan was a good theologian when he should have lead her and exercised his delegated authority as king of the planet. As a result, he was cursed for listening to his wife and every man since has been his pussified sit quietly by and watch a nation of men be raised by bitter penis envying burned feministed single mothers who make sure that Johnny grows up to be a very nice woman who sits down to pee. So, Johnny hits youth group one day to hear from his pussified youth pastor that he should perfect his virginity and dating skills. So Johnny tries to be a loving and patient man who looks for a nice woman like mom who will whip him into shape and beat him into submission so that he can one day join a men's accountability group and learn how to keep his urges under control, which just causes him to be earn a B.A. in masturbation, M.A. in porno, and PhD in knuckleheadology as Johnny is now so terrified of women and his own penis that he sits in his room alone each night on the internet hoping to get some (with the occasional "falling into sin" with a woman as they inevitabaly cross "boundaries" of intimacy) because he's so afraid of women and has no idea how to take one, or love one, or serve one, or take one to bed and make the Song of Songs sing again. One day Johnny finally gives in to the pressure of his pre-humpers singles ministry and gets stuck with some gal left on the shelf long after her expiration date that is just like dear old mom who wants him to shut up like Adam, take his beating, and join a church men's group that is really a woman's group in disguise complete with cookies and crying and antidepressants to cope with the insanity. Poor Johnny is by now so completely whacked that he's afraid of having kids and hold off his taking on any more responsibility as long as he can because Johnny is a boy trapped in a man's body walking around in a world of other boys all trying to keep their pee pee behind their zipper and do just like their momma told them and be good women. And so the culture and families and churches sprint to hell because the men aren't doing their job and the feminists continue their rant that it's all our fault and we should just let them be pastors and heads of homes and run the show. And the more we do, the more hell looks like a good place because at least a man is in charge, has a bit of order and let's men spit and scratch as needed. And all their whining and fighting is nothing more than further evidence that we are still kings and unless we do our job everyone and everything is getting screwed except Johnny (metaphorically speaking of course). I know many of the women will disagree, and they like Eve should not speak on this matter. And, many men will also disagree, which is further proof of the pussified epidemic having now become air born and universal.Pussified men are inarguably legion. Nothing short of an exorcism is needed.
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hopeful
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posted 12-05-2000 12:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hopeful     Edit/Delete Message

Yo Will,
man you gonna bust your aorta if ya keep going on like this. Try ta relax man.
Peace

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ReformUrAss
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posted 12-05-2000 10:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ReformUrAss   Click Here to Email ReformUrAss     Edit/Delete Message

WALLACE! WALLACE! WALLACE!
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Butterfly
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posted 12-05-2000 11:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Butterfly     Edit/Delete Message

. . . I think I just met my future husband. Thanks, Wallace. . .
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William Wallace II
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posted 12-06-2000 01:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for William Wallace II   Click Here to Email William Wallace II     Edit/Delete Message

Todays rant is in response to the insanities paining me today in this very moment of my inner Fight Club. Scrolling through the rest of the midrash section it is obvious that the pussification stock market has spiked at an all time high in recent months. Can I be a gay Christian? In the infamous words of the now metaphysically challenged and likely kindling ex-pentecostal pastor Sam Kinison "How can one man look at another man's hairy ass and find love?" What an insane conversation. Every man knows you can't build anything with bolts and bolts. Damn freaks. And the pastel cashmere wearing sensible haircut clean shaven loafer wearing minivan driving suburban sympathizers contend "But they really really love each other." I love dogs, but I don't stick my tongue in their mouth and lobby congress for a tax deductible union. "But we need to be nice." What the hell for? A man is free to knock boots with any sad hairy lump of clay desperate enough to climb in the sheets and prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that total depravity is an understatement, but what the hell you want from me? Should we form some form of homo Promise Keepers so we can all climb into a stadium and hug each other and cry like damn junior high girls watching Dawson's Creek. I'd tell you to kiss my ass, but I'm afraid you'd take me up on it.
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A_Corinthian
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posted 12-06-2000 01:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for A_Corinthian     Edit/Delete Message

I have seen the light. No more calvin klien theology for me
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William Wallace II
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posted 12-06-2000 02:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for William Wallace II   Click Here to Email William Wallace II     Edit/Delete Message

Comrades, today we will continue our de-pussification war with the launching of the Manly Man Award. As your self-appointed king I will of course decide who receives the Manly Man Award, but like all good kings you subjects are welcome to post your nominations. However, women are not allowed to post anyone except their husband or father and I will expect ample evidence that they indeed are Manly Men. If you should, for example, make the tragic mistake of nominating your husband because he does the laundry or some such thing then I will immediately respond with a rant upon you and grant you the Foolish Female Award.
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knowah
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posted 12-06-2000 02:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for knowah   Click Here to Email knowah     Edit/Delete Message

So much that was said was good, however, there was some that I will choose to respond to. Before you call me a "pussified" male and disregard what I say, I hope you recognize the circular logic in your reasoning making your statement that I am proof of the "pussified epidemic becoming air born and universal" being a fallacious one.Because the points I may or not disagree with you on are most likely a matte of preference and style, I won't debate those with you, however, I will ask a few questions that you perhaps have not considered.Would you have considered Jesus to be "pussified"? Surely He displayed some of the characteristics you decry. For example, his first miracle was to turn water into wine at His mother's prompting. Jesus also didn't come out and publicly slam homosexuality and so many other sins that were rampant in his day that you rant against with such fervor. Jesus wept, Jesus allowed males to kiss him (Judas), etc. Do you consider Christ to be subject to this epidemic that has now spread?I believe I am correct in assuming that you love Ephesians 5:22-24, "Wives be subject to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ als is the head of the church, He Himself being the Savior of the body. But as the church is subject to Christ, so also the wives ought to be to their husbands in everything." But what about the continuation of this in vs. 25-27, "Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her; that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, that He might present to Himself the church in all her glory, having no spot or wrinkle or any such thing; but that she should be holy and blameless." How did Christ love the church? The most obvious is that He gave up everything for the church. Do you honestly think that He wanted to live with 33 years of pressure to never sin, not even once? I know in my life I feel weary resisting temptation, and Christ no doubt experienced much more temptation than I do (the stakes were higher with Him). Do you honestly think that He wanted to die for an ungrateful bunch of sinners such as ourselves? I get pissed when I do something for a kid in my youth group and he doesn't appreciate it. Christ did that for us, but people blatantly turn around and spit in His face. Do you think He wanted to turn the other cheek while being beaten? Do you think He really wanted to let people take His name and then do horrible things in the name of God and Christ such as the Crusades, slavery,the Holocaust, or so many other wrongs that have been done in the name of Christ? All these things that Christ most likely did not want to do, He did for us.Many of the things you said are right on, but I want to ask, what are you doing to change these things? It is easy to stand up on a soapbox and rant and rave about how men are sliding into hell in a tampon box, but what is done about it. Any time that you feel so passionately about something you should also put your money where your mouth is and act. I have no clue what you are or are not doing in this area, but I would be interested to find out. Action that produces results should be something beyond postings on a bulletin board (where you are faceless) using inflamatory language and false reasoning.Once again, you make some excellent points, but I would like to point out that Proverbs 15:2 says, "The tounge of the wise makes knowledge acceptable, but the mouth of fools spouts folly." How acceptable are your words to others. I know of many less thick-skinned than I who would find your posts offensive, regardless of the amount of truth in them or not. Remember to couch your message in love, you may have all the wisdom in the world or be right, but if you do not have love, you have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. How loving is it to tell people to kiss your ass?Just some thoughts brother. I'm not looking to pick a fight, although I think I may have just picked one, but consider what I've said.
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William Wallace II
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posted 12-06-2000 02:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for William Wallace II   Click Here to Email William Wallace II     Edit/Delete Message

Youth pastor?
Enough said.

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knowah
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posted 12-06-2000 02:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for knowah   Click Here to Email knowah     Edit/Delete Message

Not a youth pastor, but I do work with kids, hopefully in an attempt to help them grow up and become de-pussified.
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William Wallace II
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posted 12-06-2000 02:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for William Wallace II   Click Here to Email William Wallace II     Edit/Delete Message

Then work with their fathers.
If they don't have a father, then help their mother get one.

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ReformUrAss
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posted 12-06-2000 03:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ReformUrAss   Click Here to Email ReformUrAss     Edit/Delete Message

I would like to submit my application for the award. Here it is,-I drive a truck with 4 wheel drive
-I more hair on my chest then the Backstreet Boys have on their bodies
-I like my beer stout and never drink the yellow, fizzy crap
-I think football is a game where you dont get a yellowcard for giving another player a bodyslam
-I prefer Jonathan Edwards over James Dobson
-I am a Youth Pastor but my kids are inmates in prison and usually can benchpress over 2bills
-My alaby for not having a girl is that i can't stand girls from SPU who can't watch R rated movies
-I believe in Romans 3:4 - Let God be true and every man a liar
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William Wallace II
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posted 12-06-2000 03:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for William Wallace II   Click Here to Email William Wallace II     Edit/Delete Message

Inspired by I Peter 3:1-7, Fight Club, Brave Heart, and American Beauty I have compiled the rules for a secret men's organization that will not be publicly known for I fear that, like the Elks, one day women will sue us and demand that they come and play our cards, eat our wings, drink our ale, smoke our pipes and thereby ruin our lives. We will meet monthly at undisclosed locations and no man will be allowed to speak about it to anyone, and newcomers are only permitted to attend if they are sponsored by a member. Our charter members are currenlty coming together quickly and we will convene after the new year. We are not a self help group, accountability group, Bible study, or men's ministry. We are a revolution. We will combine the best of tobacco, ale, theology, repentance and headship. Our gatherings will include both married and unmarried men. The unmarried men will in all likelihood be emotionally beaten until they are strong enough to rise from the dead and thereby prove their readiness to be like Christ to women and children in an effort to stop the fools parade of weak self-up addicted unstudied undiscipled self-centered it's all about me and my feelings so please don't make me sad and hurt 'cause I'm fragile and helpless and will flood my pillow with tears "men". Funny enough, so far the biggest fans of the concept are women who want manly men. Real men. Men who know what to do with a Bible, a woman, and a life and have the courage to get their lazy shrink-to-fit butt off the couch and grow up.
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A_Corinthian
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posted 12-06-2000 03:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for A_Corinthian     Edit/Delete Message

I nominate Abraham, "Father of the jews", for the Manly Man award. My reason??? Any man at his age who circumcises himself (probably with a blade that wasnt too sharp), is a Manly Man!!!! Any man who can still get it on with his wife at 100 years old; and have the super God given sperm to water that barren desert, all without viagra.....is a Manly Man. Any man who is willing to put God before family......is a Manly Man.
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knowah
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posted 12-06-2000 04:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for knowah   Click Here to Email knowah     Edit/Delete Message

William, you still have responded to the questions that I have asked. I would be interested to see how you respond to them. Thus far you have shown that you are good at espousing your beliefs and labeling people, now let's see how well you can reason out the questions that I have asked. And before you discount them, remember that as iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another. The purpose of these questions is to make you think and sharpen you for battle. The entire purpose of this BB is not to just spout off your beliefs and ignore those who don't agree with you. Check out the introductory page that explains the purpose and method of midrash. "Learning is conducted in conversational community, with disagreement and penetrating challenge directed at both student and teacher in an effort to discover the truth together." Don't try and label me and think that you can dismiss my thoughts because you disagree with them.
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William Wallace II
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posted 12-06-2000 05:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for William Wallace II   Click Here to Email William Wallace II     Edit/Delete Message

"Brace yourself like a man; I will question you, and you shall answer me." Job 38:3Answer my four questions, and I will in totality answer yours.
1. Are you gay?
2. Are you married?
3. Were you raised in a single parent home?
4. How old are you.

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theslowlearner
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posted 12-06-2000 05:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for theslowlearner   Click Here to Email theslowlearner     Edit/Delete Message

Has anyone speculated that Mr. Wallace may actually be a woman incognito, trying to get a message to the castrati of the world.Also, is pussification a reversible disorder? As far as I know emasculation is irreversible.
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knowah
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posted 12-06-2000 05:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for knowah   Click Here to Email knowah     Edit/Delete Message

William, interesting that you use something that God said in response to Job's line of questioning. Unless you're God and I've completely missed something, how about you answer the questions I asked you. I don't mean to lecutre you, but in polite conversation, one person asks a question and the other person responds with a question. Until you respond to the questions that I posed to you I'm not going to let you bash my upbringing, age, or any other thing that I know you would just love to label me with so that you can discount a view that is contrary to yours.
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William Wallace II
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posted 12-06-2000 05:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for William Wallace II   Click Here to Email William Wallace II     Edit/Delete Message

You asked a lot of questions. Most of them rhetorical. I answered what I felt was the only legitimate one, and I answered it well. And, you painted Jesus to look like some quasi-homo who never spoke against doing other guys, was kissed by another guy, always hung out with other guys and was a really really nice guy who happened to be a divine momma's boy. And, in polite conversation you normally know a bit about the person you're speaking to so you can best frame your responses. So, I'm extending a hand to get to know you. To best answer your questions I'd need to know your frame of personal reference, including such things as your age, whether you are single or married, and whether you think Jesus was the sovereign Lord of the universe or a really hot guy.
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strawberrywine
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posted 12-06-2000 10:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for strawberrywine     Edit/Delete Message

hallelujah! thank goodness that there are manly men out there! i have no idea when it came into fashion to become the 'sensitive' and emasculated male but i, as a woman, think that it is terrible and annoying. in a relationship especially, let me tell you, a woman does not need or want a man playing a womans role. there is something to be said about a man who can appreciate a woman because she is a woman and not because he can relate (because no matter how sissy a guy is, he just can't relate). somewhere along the lines there it seems as though the line between males and female was blurred. men are being dominated, and many times submitting, to pressures by powerful women and as a result crazy things happen. like this integration of the military? scuse me, what is that? i went in to try and join the marines, yes indeed, the toughest branch of the military, mainly because they are the only branch that knows where women belong and where men belong. now i'm not asking for men to be total machismo freaks, but i think you have the right idea that men need to go back to being just that, men. in the Biblical light, it is clear that men are supposed to be the protectors, providors, elders, teachers, leaders, etc., while women are to submit. some men take this to extremes (the beaters and abusers of the world) and i believe this may be part of the reason men are afraid to hold claim to their masculinity. guys, there is a way to be a strong male without abusing women. in fact, it is only the strong male who knows how to do these things, the weak one is the one who has to assert his power in a domineering, hurtful way. way to go guys for being proud that God chose you to be males and for choosing to act as such. now if you have any ideas on how to spread this ideology to your fellow men, please spill it!
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Porkfry
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posted 12-07-2000 09:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Porkfry     Edit/Delete Message

Hey William....Don't sugar coat it man....tell us how you really feel.I will be honest that I have lived a "pussified" life for a while. Mainly because I am really skinny and a strong wind can throw me around like a little sister. Thus giving me the feeling that I am weak. Enter the "Pussified" part of my life. So what do I do? I start taking Martial Arts. I will soon be taking 2 different styles. Now by the time I am a black belt in both I will more than likely still get pushed around by a strong wind but I will be able to pull off some cool lookin Jackie Chan Stuff as I fly down the street.I wanted to agree with Wallice. Thats all. No long winded tyrade about why...I just agree.Along the lined of weather I am actually "pussified" well I have 6 tattoos and I use steel wool as a sponge when I take a shower. Every morning I start the day off with a large bowl of broken glass mixed with thumb tacks (for flavor). I use a belt sander to cut my finger and toe nails. I sleep on a bed of rusty nails and every night for dinner I eat a FAT steak with a pint of Guinness. Porkfry
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posted 12-07-2000 09:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for A_Corinthian     Edit/Delete Message

thats a man
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William Wallace II
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posted 12-07-2000 02:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for William Wallace II   Click Here to Email William Wallace II     Edit/Delete Message

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Todays Manly Man award goes to the ancient Mesopotamian city of Ur Hippur where it is believed the art of beer making was birthed 6000 years ago. In honor of this sacred event the Manly Men have designated a new holiday, from this day forward December 10th will be forever celebrated as Ur Hippur Day. Please feel free to take today off from work as a religious holiday and celebrate accordingly by hoisting a pint, or more, in the spirit of Ecclesiastes 9:7.

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Rev. Tyler Durden
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posted 12-07-2000 02:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rev. Tyler Durden     Edit/Delete Message

You are not a unique snowflake....... It is time for the Rev. Tyler Durden to weigh in.I have serious issues with your portrayal of Jesus by Knowah. First of all, Jesus didn't just shut up and do what his mommy said. He told her "Dear Woman, why do you involve me?" As for Jesus publically denouncing homosexuality and many other sins: he didn't get that far down the list. There is a myth out there that Jesus' primary concern is the american nuclear family and the homosexuals who wage war against it. Jesus cares first and formost about the Father getting his glory and the Pharisees and Jewish leaders were much more an afront to that than homosexuals. Jesus weeping at the death of a very good friend is not a sign of a pussified man. Even William Wallace cried when they killed his wife.We seem to have this view of a compassionate, "always speaking in love", don't drink smoke or chew or go with girls who do, Christ. Christ was very compassionate.................. to women, cripples, blindmen, beggars, leppars. Who he wans't compassionate to was all pussified men who came to him as though they had all the answers. What about the ass-kicker Jesus who cleared the temple or the guy who publically berated the pharisees and Jewish leaders with words like "whitewashed tombs" and "brood of vipers" (which I am positive in their day would have been completely cussing them out).An amazing portrait of Jesus for all pussified men is in Revelation. Jesus has fire in his eyes, feet of bronze, a voice like rushing water and double edged sword coming out of his mouth with which he wages war on idolitors, false gods and the sexually immoral. He rips the vast majority of the church a new butt hole, lays waste to the nations of the world and judges all the people. Finally he gets his glory from everyone weather they are willing or not. The phrase that he uses over and over again as to whom will reign with him in the New Jeruselam is, "to him who overcomes..." The Tyler Durdem life application study blble translates that as. "PULL YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS."There is this idea out there of "you are the potter, I am the clay", "I am a work in progress", and all kind of other lame ass excuses uttered by pussified, sorry men who never pull their extended adolescent lives together. That's because nobody ever got in their face and told them that it is their responsibility before God as a man to pull their head out of their ass and own their own sin. We do not help these men by coming along side of them and loving them and "feeling their pain" and letting them know that, if not by the grace of God we would all be in the same place. The most graceful thing we can do for them is tell them they are pussified and we will continue to beat their ass untill they stop. The way you pull your head out of your ass is not through Promise Keepers or accountability groups. It is through working your ass off in the work of the gospel, losing sleep praying for pussified men and the womens' lives they have ruined, repenting, refusing to satisfy yourself sexually through porn, taking a wife and surrounding yourself with men to teach you and kick your ass when you step out of line.That is all that the Rev. Tyler Durden has to say for now.
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William Wallace II
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posted 12-07-2000 02:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for William Wallace II   Click Here to Email William Wallace II     Edit/Delete Message

Amen. Jesus was not a pussy. He did love the world. By, being beaten, scourged, whipped and generally having the flesh ripped off his back so he could carry a wooden cross. Bleeding and nearly naked nailed to a piece of wood and mocked, Jesus took his beating and took upon Himself the sins of the elect and the ensuing wrath of the Father. Does Jesus love us? Yes. How? As a manly man.
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Dees Advocate
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posted 12-07-2000 03:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dees Advocate     Edit/Delete Message

Sooooooo Wally, big funky hunk of burning testosterone that you are, what say you of the fact that your god, himself, is pussified?Your biggest problem is not that you live in a completely pussified nation, it's that you're dedicated to a completely pussified kingdom. And now that you've spread your legs of allegiance to a completely pussified king, do I understand correctly that you'd like to surgically reattach His balls through a one off bb rant?Give me a fucking break.On the few occasions he asked my advice on whether to go brimstone on the joint, I said, completely, without a doubt, ride into the capital on a white stallion of flame and justice. But did he heed my advice? Even give it a passing thought?Not at all.The arrogant bastard wouldn’t listen to any of us. He had it stuck in his head that he’d ride into the capital on a mule – where’s the balls in that. Every time we sat down to eat, he started going off about bread, wine, and his body. Is this your idea of a man?What a pussy.Wally, my friend, the more you think about it, the more you’re going to realize that you need to ditch this pansy ass king of yours. We could use a guy like you on our team. We could go places together… and run them.Hugs, kisses, fists, and blows,Dee’s Advocate
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William Wallace II
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posted 12-07-2000 03:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for William Wallace II   Click Here to Email William Wallace II     Edit/Delete Message

Church is now in session. The gospel has been preached. Now, female comrades, I would urge you sisters to step forward and testify. Todays question is for you, give us the most pussified man you have ever known and tell us why you were sickened. Ever have a guy take you out "dutch", ever have a guy cry when you dumped him, ever had a man so scared he took forever to ask you out, or maybe hasn't even worked up the courage yet. Testify!
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knowah
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posted 12-07-2000 04:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for knowah   Click Here to Email knowah     Edit/Delete Message

Just to defend myself, I do believe that Jesus did do some major butt-kicking, I never denied that He did. However, He also did display some characteristics that I'm sure you consider to be pussified. Reverend, you make some good points and put some thought into your response, that's all I was looking for. However, I was referring to when Jesus wept over Jerusalem in Luke 19. As much as you may not like to, Jesus did display some characteristics that you may classify as being pussified. We cannot pick and choose the characteristics of Jesus or God that we want to focus on. Many people like to think of God as loving, but refuse to believe that He is also wrathful. To some extent it seems that you may have gone to the opposite extreme. I firmly believe that Christ displayed a balance of characteristics in His time on earth. Some of them you might classify as pussified, your choice, not mine. The purpose in my asking these questions was (as I believe is the purpose of the midrash approach to learning) to refine your belief and cause you to perhaps consider something you had not considered before. I know I don't have the answers, and I hope that you don't think that you do either. I ask questions to stimulate thought, at times this is done from the devil's advocate standpoint for necessary reasons. This does not mean that I think Jesus was a wuss. Are men nowadays weak? God knows I agree. Am I sickened by this? YES! However, extremism is never the answer. There needs to be a balance of love and rebuke, I'm just trying to make sure you don't forget the love.In response to your earlier querries William, I'm 23, single, raised in a divorced home (between both parents), God is soveriegn Lord of the universe, and of my life. I'm sure you will find some way to discount what I say now or label me in some way, and I'm alright with that. Also I believe you may have missed the main thrust of my original post, most likely my fault. What are you doing to help? Are you just ranting to whoever will listen and posting inflamatory messages on a BB, or are you seriously doing something? I am interested to know. As far as responding to my questions, the only one you even halfway responded to was one I asked only in jest. Please learn to listen, you will learn so much from others (not necessarily me) that it will amaze you.Dees, umm, did you read the agreement to join this bb? What do you say of God's coming judgment that is promised in Revelation? Christ came the first time as a suffering servant in fulfillment of prophecy (ISA 53). If you want to full on call God what you have, I pray for you.
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William Wallace II
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posted 12-07-2000 05:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for William Wallace II   Click Here to Email William Wallace II     Edit/Delete Message

Thank you for your response. Yes, are movement is real. Right now we are laying out the Founding Fathers and our Constitution. After this email I'm heading to a couple of pubs to find a nice place to begin our Reformation, just like Luther did at the White Horse Inn pub in his day. Our numbers are growing and we will be launching into other cities. Our name will remain secret, but you may consider joining us and hosting your own. Our depussification process is simple:1. Be a man.
2. Get other men.
3. Read the Bible and do what it says.
Off to my field trip.
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posted 12-07-2000 08:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for A_Corinthian     Edit/Delete Message

I will tell you all of a pussified man....A man who was a marine in the vietnam war, worked a blue collar job at an oil refinery, drank beer, beat my mom and left the sceene. My pussified father. Because of this pussified man, i was raised without a father. Just to let you know, being raised with only a mother and two sisters in your life doesnt help in becomming a man.... hell, i dont even know where to start. I do know that i am tired of this pansy ass, self help, drive through theropy, vanilla latte, Gap, diet cola, buddy Jesus, you can be your own god, nation that accepts (even tells us its ok) to be gay, have an affair, leave your wife and kids, look at internet porn, playboy, self gratifacation, and pretty much every kind of sin that satan himself has done. Speaking from the point of a male in his 20's, if this is the american dream, then cut off a nut of mine so i can "be more sensitive to other peoples lifestyles"!!?? If it seems like im whinning, then give me a good kick in the ass..... praise God, at least i'll finally be a real man to my future wife and kids.
--It is better to listen to the rebuke of a wise man, than for one to listen to the song of FOOLS. Ecclesiates 7:5--- GO WALLACE

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lil' yoda
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posted 12-07-2000 09:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lil' yoda   Click Here to Email lil' yoda     Edit/Delete Message

"For He himself is our peace, who has made the two one, and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility.
Eph. 2:14
Lord Wallace,
You remind me of an old friend of mine, and maybe that is giving you too much credit, since I do not know you, and because I am likening you to one of the best friends I have ever had. Nevertheless, I will err (for now) on giving you the benefit of the doubt.At the same time, however, you also remind me a bit of the "Great Oz" angry and blustery, full of contempt, fire and rage, so I am persuaded to wonder what slinks behind the curtain? Something vulnerable it seems...and my heart goes out to you. If you are as ready to fight as I think, I imagine my empathy makes you somewhat nauseous. This is not my intent, but as Yoda would say "I sense much fear in you..."But I am not being fair...
and perhaps I am hitting "below the belt", since you and I do not yet have the trust of brothers in arms, and since it is our emasculation that we are so desperately trying to reverse.Know that you are not alone, we all have our ghosts to contend with and I am learning (the hard way) that they cannot be dispatched with a sword. They still require courage, but the courage of a whole man; a man who is not afraid of even the strongest woman's strength, but attracted to it, and discovers that not only is his masculinity still intact, but it is brimming over (even if he does the dishes).Look man, be watchful as you form your band of fight club men. I believe you are dangerously treading the path of Barabbas (or even Judas)Love your enemies. Any man can do otherwise. Anything other than love requires zero courage, only a deadening of spirit.And no, I cannot sanctimoniously claim that I am anywhere near this. I am more of a caveman when it comes to my family and their protection, and I, like Peter, have my sword drawn, ready to "Van Gogh" the first dude who looks cross-eyed at my boy. And like Peter, Jesus rebukes me for this.Let's fight, indeed, we are in a war, and God calls us to be "warrior poets". Let Him be your shield (not your rage), and may we bear his cross again and again, so the world may never forget His love. His love... His sacrifice... His dominion... all these are more important than anything, any dream or any word we could utter.St. Thomas Aquinas once wrote, "I have seen things that make all my writings seem like straw."Let us fix our eyes upon these things...

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cell'me
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posted 12-07-2000 10:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cell'me     Edit/Delete Message

WWII,any significance in this hidden/double meaning found in your name? The stench of death in your words is overwhelming. I once heard it said that anger - in the moment - is a death sentence. Clearly this is true in your rants.Knowah & lil' Yoda - commendable efforts to bring a semblance of balance to some thoughts that are initially credible, but quickly disintegrate into a twisted, perverse proclamation of the gospel. The gospel, Will, is not at all interested in your need to name sin(s) in others. Our morality (or lack thereof) is not the issue that the gospel seeks to address - it is our faith. You've got the order of God's concern confused. In fact, you've mistakenly replaced God's sovereignty with your own - and that is a scary place to be.You remind me of the punks in college that used to hang "anarchy" posters in their dorm windows without considering the consequences. If they truly had gotten what they were asking for, I would have been the first to line up and give them a beating they wouldn't soon forget. The absence of authority would have made their world a living hell (I personally would have seen to it) and yet they blindy espoused a philosphy which would have been their demise.Think on this: Jesus says "love your neighbor as yourself." No qualifiers. No exceptions. No choice in who those neighbors might be or become. Live with it. If I thought you were even close to accomplishing #3 on your resolution, I would join up in a heart beat. Unfortunately your not! Your just a punk, looking to knock around others in the name of whatever gospel your liking at the moment.Am I pussified? Not even close. In fact, I would like nothing more than to rock your arrogant little world. Have another beer, it will help ease the pain of your sorry existence. Or are you willing to come up for air and talk about what's eating at you minus all the venom and crap about this and that?Hope it's the latter and not the former.
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A_Corinthian
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posted 12-08-2000 09:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for A_Corinthian     Edit/Delete Message

You all sound pussified to me
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Rex
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posted 12-08-2000 09:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rex     Edit/Delete Message

First, to address the comments of cell'me and lil'yoda - you are making a very serious assumption in your own interpretation of the Gospel. What is love? From the sounds of it, you think that it is a warm, fuzzy, huggy, feeling-your-pain and offering limitless grace kind of thing. And to a point, it may very well be.However, love is also kicking someone squarely in the ass with the steel-toed boots of grace. Love is helping a brother to repentance, and pointing out fallacy and ignorance. Jesus did not spend any time sympathizing with the money changers in the temple, but you can bet your left nut that he was showing love when he chased them out of the temple.There is nothing at all ungodly about righteous anger. I wonder sometimes what would happen if we actually felt and understood what sin really is and how it not only grieves God, but outright pisses him off. You have no way of knowing what's going on where WWII is, but I can vouch for the fact that his anger is justified. What should our response be when 'believers' are trampling the blood of Christ? What do you do when a two year old kid is about to pull a pot of boiling water down over their head? You get them the hell out of there by any and all means possible, even if it hurts them a bit, cause you know that it'll sure as hell hurt less than the alternative. That, my friends, is love.cell'me - Jesus did not die for the sake of our faith. He died to REVERSE OUR NATURE. He died to change us from the whimpering, sin-infested scum that we had become into the righteousness of God through Him. You, my friend, are believing a very shallow Gospel if you think it centers around faith. It centers around the cross of SALVATION, which implies that we need a hell of a lot of saving. It also pivots around the empty tomb of REBIRTH, which implies that we have to reject all we are or have become and be willing to let God rebuild us from the moment of our conception. The Gospel requires us to believe, yes, but to believe is not the end in itself.To some degree, I have been pussified. And I agree that is an epidemic. It's a very very big problem that requires a pretty damn drastic solution. However, I say that in our definition of pussification we need to include the ignorant, fearful men who have confused authority with power and now try to wield that fearful power over their wives and children. Those are in our church as well (WWII, in your church too). They may or may not have the other qualifications of pussification, but they are most certainly pussies.My father (admittedly not a particularly manly man) died when I was 10. My brother had unknowingly, but irresponsibly, introduced me to hardcore porn by the time I was 12. I found out when I was 15 that my other brother had decided he was gay. If we're going on odds, here, my chances don't look good.
Thankfully Jesus doesn't give a flying crap about the odds.Hey William Wallace, please count me in.
Ignorantus Rex
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William Wallace II
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posted 12-08-2000 11:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for William Wallace II   Click Here to Email William Wallace II     Edit/Delete Message

Cell'me, don't get your g-string in a bind. You seem like a very nice woman and I'm sure one day you'll make some man very happy. I know you may live under the illusion that you are a man, and a good combination of medications should be of some help for that. Don't be embarrassed, from Klinger on Mash to Richard Simmons you will have support. Rex, welcome to the movement. For you and the other men I would recommend you read the work by a feminist woman named Christina Sommers who is now our first inductee into the Honorary Ring of Female Honor for her book "The War Against Boys: How Misguided Feminism Is Harming Our Young Men"The Atlantic Monthly has a series of articles on it at http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2000/05/sommers.htm
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the patriot
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posted 12-08-2000 11:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for the patriot   Click Here to Email the patriot     Edit/Delete Message

If Jesus was on earth today he surley would be a trucker, I mean that is a given.
To all the anti-be a man movement, IE knowah and cell,
I want to agree with them, It takes a big man to cry, BUT it takes and even bigger man to laugh at that man.
Jack Handy

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Butterfly
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posted 12-08-2000 11:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Butterfly     Edit/Delete Message

WWII - you did not respond to the last paragraph of cell me's post. I was with you for the first part of the discussion, but I think you may have lost me. "Manly" (Christ being the epitome of manliness, as He was the one and only perfect man) is one thing. Crass, rude and inconsiderate is another thing. Don't get me wrong. I completely agree with you on reading the Bible, convicting people of their sin, etc. I also believe in Ephesians, which says to do so in love. Your posts have become a little more one-sided in that they are violent, hostile, and incredibly adolescent. From a female perspective, the manliest men are the men who are most like Christ. Christ was balanced. He knew when to be hard core, and when to be compassionate. You have hard core down to a science. Where's the compassion? Just for clarification, compassion and pusiness are not the same thing. Do you agree?Also, people have asked what you are doing to accomplish this goal of de-pussifying the nation. You gave a very simple three step, blanket statement, "program". What are YOU doing? How are YOU changing? Show us your "manliness" if you're so convinced you have it.
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posted 12-08-2000 11:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for William Wallace II   Click Here to Email William Wallace II     Edit/Delete Message

I speak harshly because I speak to men. A woman might not understand that. I also do not answer to women. So, your questions will be ignored. I would however, recommend to you a few versed to memorize:I Timothy 2:11-15
I Corinthians 14:33-35
To learn them, ask your father or husband. If you have neither, ask your pastor. If she is a female, find another church. If you are the pastor, quit your job and repent.
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Rex
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posted 12-08-2000 12:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rex     Edit/Delete Message

William, you're out of line. While cell'me needs to reexamine his theology and not reject arguments purely on the basis that they call him into thick-skinned responsibility, equating him with Richard Simmons is an insult that nobody should have to endure, pussified or not.You're doing the same as he is, only with more guile. Knowing you, it's strange to hear myself saying this, but grow up. He is at least entitled to his opinion without you trying to strangle him with your codpiece. I appreciate that you're supremely pissed off with the state of affairs, but you'll have plenty of success in your endeavours without uneqivocally declaring people, who may want to or need to understand what you're saying, beyond help.And while I can accept that there may be casualties in the war on pussification, I reject the notion that they should be created just for the fun of hearing ourselves be insulting.Respectfully submitted,Ignorantus Rex
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cell'me
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posted 12-08-2000 12:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cell'me     Edit/Delete Message

Rex,First, allow me to question your use of the term "righteous anger"? This side of heaven, it doesn't exist. We have no righteousness apart from Christ. Even Christ living in us is a daily renewal, on-going work that is being perfected in us. None of us have arrived - certainly not WWII - who is convinced that one can be "screamed into holiness" (Eugene Peterson) - which we cannot. To justify our frustation, outrage or pure hatred for the state of affairs we live in as righteous is delusional. We are not righteous! At least not yet.As far as my "shallow" gospel. How shallow is the cross. That is my point about the starting place of God's concern. To begin in any place (my behavior, my moral state, my church affiliation or attendance) other than faith puts my salvation in my own hands, which is futile. The cross directs my faith only toward the One who has overcome sin, death and the devil. Not you. Not me. Again, God does not give a rat's fat *** about our goodness apart from him, because we have none. Christ died to "reverse our nature"? Yes, but show me how your nature is any different than my nature or WWII's nature apart from Christ. It isn't we are all the fellow murderers of Christ. Justified? Sure, but I doubt your sanctification is complete.Based on the fact that it is our own sinful nature that Christ died for, WWII should be heading to Texas to have himself executed for being a murderer of Christ since he's so pumped about their execution rate (see manly man award thread).Finally, the gospel I believe in is the one shown by Christ, and preached by Paul. It is not the one presently taught in many of our churches nor the insane rants of WWII. It is the one that says, "Jesus came not because God has a problem with me (us) - he in fact created me to be me - but because I (we) have a problem with God." And that problem is twisting and perverting everything God calls us to be. Jesus came while we were still enemies with God. Don't fool yourselves into thinking that apart from God's ever-present grace and Spirit you would be anything but an enemy of God. Knowing this, sets us free to share this truth with others - not just sit around, drink beers and hope we could be half the man Jesus was and is. Jesus went out and did something. What are you doing? Who is Jesus in your lives today?