Friday, June 27, 2014

comparative list of charts of who is around, who was, and who may or may not be at Mars Hill, comparing the MH elder list to Throckmorton's list to WtH's list from 2011

As has been noted at a few blogs, Mars Hill Church has experienced significant staff changes in the last few years, most notably since about mid-2011, which would coincide with the emergence of Sutton Turner as a leader within the executive leadership team.  The following four lists may be a useful reference point for people considering just how much has changed in the last four years at Mars Hill Church.

List A is simply a recent list of publicly listed men who are pastors at Mars Hill Church.  List A would not include Jamie Munson, for instance, because even if Jamie Munson is still a pastor at Mars Hill he is not publicly listed or acknowledged as a pastor by MH's public pages.

List B is, give or take a few names, Warren Throckmorton's published list of elders who have stopped being at Mars Hill in the last couple of years.  Nowhere at any point in list B are explanations given for the departures and as some have noted already some men left on good terms, others on bad, others were removed after having been found unfit for ministry and any details would be missing as to which was which unless a person had some documentation.

Now List C, for regular readers of Wenatchee The Hatchet, was compiled from all the Mars Hill campus listings that were available for public consultation in late 2011.  These names include not just pastors but staff of various sorts and were at one point names that could be assembled from the MH campus sites before the website overhaul of early 2012.  The list of names was available to assemble from captures by The WayBack Machine until at month or so ago when Mars Hill began to introduce robots.txt to preclude the use of The WayBack Machine in finding stuff like what you'll find not only in List C but also ...

List D is simply (as accurately as could be managed, so take it with a grain of salt) the formerly publicly listed City profiles of all the people who were in list C.  One or two exceptions may appear because, well, sometimes things come along.

General numbers.

List A has 51 names
List B has 43 names
List C has 91 names
List D, unsurprisingly, has the same number of entries.

What someone who currently has access to The City could theoretically do is go through all of lists C and D and compare them to Warren Throckmorton's List B and cross reference that against List A to see how much overlap there is.  You may notice that some of the people from List C may not have been pastors in 2011 but have turned out to be publicly listed as pastors as of 2014. 

Perhaps in the future there may be a supplemental List E of men who voted in 2007 trials of Paul Petry and Bent Meyer.  Since Mars Hill reported that there was unanimity amongst those elders that voted on whether Petry and Meyer ought to be removed it would seem moot to subdivide a List E by who voted what way. 

On the other hand, in light of all that has come to light about both the nature of the trials as they were handled by Scott Thomas and the Elder Investigation Taskforce, and still further in light of all that has transpired since earlier 2011, it remains to be seen whether or not those men who voted in the 2007 trials and voted in the bylaws Jamie Munson drafted might not have come to different conclusions about the rightness of their vote and the reasons for casting their 2007 vote as they did. 

Until there is a List E to add here ... let's move on to the previously described Lists A, B, C and D.

Well, maybe let's bump things down a little bit and have a jump/break so as not to clutter things too terribly.


ABCD
recent publicly listed pastors Warren Throckmorton list WtH list of late 2011 pastors and staff from Wayback searches formerly publicly listed City profiles from list C
Brandon Andersen Phil Smidt bill clem http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/551
Jerry Austin Mike Wilkerson mark driscoll http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/67
Zach Bolen Jon Krombein bubba jennings http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/69
Joel Brown Nate Burke joel brown http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/550
Dave Bruskas Aaron Mead brad house http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/2
Ed Choi Matt Repucci mike wilkerson http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/64
Adam Christiansen Jeff Bettger eric stark http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/366
Josh Clayton Andrew Lisi phil smidt http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/61
David Cox Tim Quiring justin holcomb http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/15138
Gabe Davis Phil Poirier matt johnson http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/78
Joe Day Dick McKinley elliot grudem http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/114129
Mark Driscoll Matt Johnson adam christiansen http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/365
Mark Dunford Zach Bolen katie allen http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/47
Cliff Ellis Bill Clem brandon anderson http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/1526
David Fairchild Alex Early matt kelly http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/18823
Alex Ghioni Wyatt Houtz lynne wilson  http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/7820
Aaron Gray Caleb Davis mitch miller http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/42171
Matthias Haeusel Tyler Powell david ginn http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/7631
AJ Hamilton Scott Mitchell thomas hurst http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/692
Scott Harris Kyle Firstenberg gary shavey http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/482
Drew Hensley Samuel Choi alex ghioni http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/18541
Thomas Hurst Nick Bogardus michael van skaik http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/2722
Cam Huxford Justin Schaeffer tim zion http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/651
Anthony Ianniciello Kerry Michaelis sam delay http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/2359
Bubba Jennings Matt Jensen jason skelton http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/18541
Brian Jonkman Justin Holcomb seth winterhalter http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/116391
Ryan Kearns Fred Choi brian mccormack http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/110859
Dustin Kensrue James Noriega dustin nickerson http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/721
Kirby Langley Elliot Grudem rachelle peck http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/138
Alfredo Lobaina Eric Stark tim gaydos http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/83
Cliff Low Chris Swan will little http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/17
Donovan Medina Brad House caleb davis http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/312
Andy Phipps Tim Gaydos cam huxford http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/1114
Adam Ramsey Will Little colin day http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/100
Matt Rogers Tim Beltz steven kwan http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/27473
Miles Rohde Dave Kraft gareth best  http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/943
Paul Rohrbaugh Bruce Ensign justin ashurst http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/2559
James Rose Steven Mulkey brandon olsen http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/1713
Gary Shavey Willie Wilson jeff bettger http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/403
Bill Simmonds Chad Toulouse willie wilson http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/51061
Jason Skelton James Harleman paul freed http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/88
Tim Smith Scott Thomas rachel freed http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/98
Joe Stengele Jeremy Echols jordan gwyther http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/18481
Jim Tomisser shandel slaten http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/1689
Steve Tompkins david katz http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/3408
Sutton Turner amanda hightower http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/624
Matt Wallace maurice morales http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/22467
Ryan Welsh chris bristol http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/1743
Ryan Williams jevon washington http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/61254
Seth Winterhalter samuel choi http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/4718
Steve Zietlow dave harris http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/1214
mike davis http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/1804
steven mulkey http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/156
bruce ensign http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/1984
kyle van tine http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/4483
susan ensign http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/2193
laurie mcnally http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/2216
travis matthews http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/1997
jenny matthews http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/1887
justin watilo http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/8417
walter cunningham http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/4606
matt jensen http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/334
steve sakanashi http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/2237
alex berg http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/3796
devin deuell http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/2949
jason murray http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/6015
steve tompkins http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/377
james harleman http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/104
justin schaeffer http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/94
kerry michaelis http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/446
dick mckinley http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/109
chad toulouse http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/163
joe day http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/79
jim tomisser http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/5714
reagan north http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/204
david fairchild http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/328099
cliff ellis http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/2519
cliff low http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/420
tim beltz http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/80
bill simmonds http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/2685
fred choi http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/1777
justin gillebo http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/4463
toby morrell http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/512370
nick bogardus http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/15463
kyle firstenberg http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/338
dustin kensrue http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/301748
dave kraft http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/84
aj hamilton http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/63 
donovan medina http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/15711
matt wallace http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/17936
jamie munson http://marshill.onthecity.org/users/66

Wenatchee The Hatchet does not vouch for the accuracy of any of the City profile listings as some accounts will surely have been deactivated or possibly reassigned.  This will be moot to the average reader who does not have access to The City but for those who actually do have access to The City don't be too surprised if the profile user numbers in the list don't match whatever is currently the case.  After all, these lists are presented as a way to get some sense of how much the leadership culture of Mars Hill has changed since 2011 and particularly, it seems, since Sutton Turner joined the executive leadership team. 

Recently announced sabbaticals or layoffs such as might be addressed in wording somewhat like the following:

Staff Chapel

Last week we had to make the very tough decision to transition a number of people off of staff from our ministry support departments, as well as some staff at a few of our local churches. These are all good people who served and worked hard for the church, and we regret that we had to make these changes. If you know any of them, please reach out to offer your prayers and support during this transition, and please continue to pray for the church as we navigate through a tough season.
At this week’s Staff Chapel, we had the opportunity to invite these friends back so that we could honor them and pray over them. They joined other staff members who are being sent out to new opportunities, and also those who recently resigned. It was a meaningful time of worship and reflection as a church family. We are so thankful to have had the opportunity to show these staff members how deeply we care about them and appreciate the contribution they have made toward Jesus’ mission at Mars Hill. While they may no longer be on staff, we love them and they are still a part of our church family.

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