Tuesday, March 25, 2014

Now you can buy ten years of Driscoll sermons that, weeks ago, you could have downloaded for free

https://www.logos.com/product/4925/mark-driscoll-sermon-archive

It can be yours for a couple hundred bucks, give or take sales pricing.  Now you can buy a decade's worth of Mark Driscoll sermons that mere weeks ago you could have just downloaded and consulted for no charge.  No certainty if the Spiritual Warfare series from 2008 is on there, yet.

But now we know where the following series have ended up:

  • Generous
  • The Peasant Princess: A Love Story from the Song of Songs
  • Pray Like Jesus
  • Doctrine: What Christians Should Believe
  • Religion Saves: And Nine Other Misconceptions
  • The Rebel's Guide to Joy (Philippians)
  • Nehemiah: Building a City Within the City
  • Redeeming Ruth
  • Vintage Jesus: Timeless Answers to Timely Questions
  • 1 Corinthians: Christians Gone Wild
  • Christ on the Cross
  • Genesis
  • Epistles of John
  • 1-2 Timothy
  • Revelation
  • Ecclesiastes
  • Habakkuk
  • Ephesians
  • Galatians
  • Proverbs
  • The Gospel of John

  • So now it looks like we know where all that stuff went to.  If you're going to blow $130-$200 on content it'd be better to make it Spurgeon or Luther or Calvin or Augustine rather than having that content mediated via Mark Driscoll, whose capacity for historical inaccuracy and citation error at this point is too well documented to inspire a great deal of confidence.

    For the Christ on the Cross series, for instance, read John Stott about, well, Christ on the Cross.  For 1 Corinthians you could consult Gordon Fee.  For Ecclesiastes, Martin Shields The End of Wisdom is a fantastic and informative little monograph.  For Proverbs, oh, maybe Bruce Waltke's NICOT series.  For others, well, you get the basic idea. 

    14 comments:

    Dwayne Forehand said...

    Who is the copyright under?

    Bryan Zug said...

    I have no words.

    Wenatchee the Hatchet said...

    Dwayne, interesting question. The 1 & 2 Peter content was copyrighted to Mars Hill Church so it's possible the content is copyrighted to MHC rather than just Mark Driscoll, but ever since Mark Driscoll returned to being legal president of MHC the corporation this all may be moot. That Driscoll returned to being president after having said so profusely in 2008 that not being president and letting Jamie Munson have that role relieved Mark of conflicts of interest would be its own separate topic.

    This is disappointing, to put it nicely.

    Puritan Valentine said...

    It's All About Driscoll.

    Unknown said...

    They used to put sermons up as torrents. I wonder if any are still floating around in the wild.

    Gem said...

    This is safer for MD. For the most part, only people who are drinking the koolaid will plunk down money. Diminishes potential scrutiny and criticism.

    Whozep68 said...

    Did he ever say he would always give away his stuff? I thought in Nehemiah Air War/Ground War he says something to that affect.

    In Acts 29, there is precedent for pulling sermons. Chandler pulled some of his early sermons from the Village because he publicly stated that they were too angry and didn't want people to have them. But again, he publicly stated it and explained and not without explanation.

    Unknown said...

    Interesting development. That link goes to a page that says the product is no longer sold.

    Jay C. said...

    Adam is correct - the Logos site link is broken now. It lists a couple of other things, but the Driscoll messages are gone.

    Matt said...

    Wayback shows that Logos content as having been available for some time. WtH, where did you find the product link? Your post seems to imply that the product was released as the sermons were taken down (at least, that's how I read it), but that doesn't appear to be so. Now that the Logos link is also broken, the motivation appears to be more purge related than profit. Who knows, really though.

    Wenatchee the Hatchet said...

    the product has been around for a while

    Scott Bailey over at Scotteriology was making fun of how Mark Driscoll pronounced Logos in a pitch for archived sermons over here

    https://scotteriology.wordpress.com/2009/08/25/how-do-you-say-logos/

    Wenatchee the Hatchet said...

    But that said, as Driscoll has said so often, the speed of change at Mars Hill can be pretty high and it can be easy to forget how long some things have been around.

    Dan said...

    Where's the sermons now? The link doesn't work

    Wenatchee the Hatchet said...

    lost track of that product.