Sunday, June 17, 2012

Mars Hill Fellowship? What's that?

Longtime readers of this blog may have noticed I have referred to the Bylaws of Mars Hill Fellowship from 2007, the ones over which Bent Meyer and Paul Petry did not agree and got fired.  If you were to go looking for Mars Hill Fellowship you might have some trouble finding it.

There's a Mars Hill Church, though (which we know already).  The upshot here is that whatever bylaws I referred to earlier in connection to Mars Hill Fellowship, well, they may be irrelevant because if Mars Hill Fellowship isn't the same as Mars Hill Church then the bylaws Munson apparently drafted in 2007 may not apply. Mars Hill Fellowship and Mars Hill Church may not, strictly speaking, be the same thing. Or they might be but I don't know for sure.

Now it has been commonplace with Mars Hill to describe Driscoll as the prophet sort, some other pastor (it almost doesn't seem to matter who) as the priest, and the executive type as king.  That was the nomenclature.  So we'd get the impression officially, it seems, that Driscoll is the prophet, Bruskas is the priest, and Turner is the king (as was Munson before him). Turner is described as bringing kingly gifts but who does the State of Washington Secretary of State records list as the top person at Mars Hill?

http://mobile.www.secstate.wa.gov/corps/search_detail.aspx?ubi=601677819

MARS HILL CHURCH
ubi Number: 601677819
Category: REG
Profit/Nonprofit: Nonprofit
Active/Inactive: Active
State of Incorporation: WA
Date of Incorporation 12/22/1995
Expiration Date 12/31/2012


Register Agent Information
John Sutton Turner
1411 NW 50th St
Seattle, WA 98107


Governing Persons:
President: Driscoll, Mark
Vice President: Bruskas, Dave
Treasurer: Turner, Sutton
Secretary: Turner, Sutton

Interesting, yes?  .

Date of incorporation is December 22, 1995? That goes way back to before the church even existed if the conventional narrative presented so far has been accepted. Anyone able to explain that date of incorporation?

That Driscoll is President is pretty obvious.  But if Driscoll is the President then this means we have to consult the bylaws Jamie Munson was apparently working on in 2007, those bylaws pastors Bent Meyer and Paul Petry had concerns about.

http://joyfulexiles.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/elders-response-to-questions-11-9-07.pdf

from the Bylaws of Mars Hill Fellowship
A Nonprofit Corporation With Members
Article VI, Section H


The lead elder described in Section G shall be the President, chair the meetings of the Executive Elder Team, the Board of Directors, and the Full Council of Elders. The preaching elder shall be the Vice-President and serve the role of president during the absence of the president. The treasurer shall maintain proper books of account for the church. The secretary (who shall not also be president) will ensure official minutes of each meeting with the Executive Elder Team, Board of Directors or Full Council of Elders are kept and will keep on file and authenticate all pertinent minutes and other appropriate documentation used in making decisions and/or taking action. An office may be removed as such by the Board of Directors without regard to such person's status on the Executive Elder Team. ...

So in the 2007 bylaws the lead pastor was the president.  Driscoll said in 2008 that making Jamie Munson the lead pastor was the best thing he could have done.  But it would seem that now according to the records of the Washington Secretary of State Mark Driscoll is the President (again). Dave Bruskas is listed as Vice President and Sutton Turner is the Treasurer and the Secretary.

So Turner is listed as Executive Elder but for the Secretary of State of Washington State Turner is the Secretary and Treasurer and Driscoll is the President.

http://marshill.com/leadership
http://marshill.com/2011/11/23/introducing-pastor-sutton-turner

So in legal terms Driscoll is the President for the sake of Washington State.  That means that under the bylaws Munson drafted he would not also be the Lead Pastor.  The preaching elder was to be Vice-President and serve as president during the absence of the president. Munson stepped down and there was a bit of an announcement about that.  So is Munson coming BACK to be president later?  Or does Mars Hill Church have a whole new set of bylaws that are not necessarily the same as Mars Hill Fellowship?  Speaking of Mars Hill corporations ... you may no longer find any Mars Hill Fellowship anywhere.  You can find these, though.

http://mobile.www.secstate.wa.gov/corps/search_detail.aspx?ubi=602486142

Mars Hill Properties - 49th LLC


MARS HILL PROPERTIES - 49TH LLC


UBI Number: 602486142
Category: LLC
Profit/Nonprofit: Profit
Active/Inactive: Inactive
State Of Incorporation
WA


Date of Incorporation
03/24/2005


Expiration Date
03/31/2009


Dissolution Date
07/01/2009


Registered Agent Information


Agent Name


JOHN J HOULIHAN JR 
3401 EVANSTON AVE N SUITE C 
SEATTLE, WA 98103 




Governing Persons


Title: Member
Name: Mars Hill Feilowship
Address: Seattle, WA 

http://mobile.www.secstate.wa.gov/corps/search_detail.aspx?ubi=602594462


Mars Hill Properties - Lynnwood LLC
UBI Number 602594462
Category LLC




UBI Number-- 602594462


Category -- LLC


Profit/Nonprofit--Profit
Active/Inactive--  Inactive
State Of Incorporation  WA




Date of Incorporation
03/16/2006


Expiration Date
03/31/2007


Dissolution Date


07/02/2007




Registered Agent Information
Agent Name
SC&B SERVICES INC 
999 3RD AVE STE 3000 
SEATTLE WA 98104-4088


Governing Persons
Fellowship, Mars Hill


1401 NW Leary Way
SEATTLE, WA 

http://mobile.www.secstate.wa.gov/corps/search_detail.aspx?ubi=602738658
MARS HILL PROPERTIES - OCEAN SHORES LLC


UBI 602738658
LLC
Profit
Inactive


State Of Incorporation WA
Date of Incorporation
06/25/2007


Expiration Date
06/30/2008


Dissolution Date
10/01/2008


Registered Agent Information
Agent Name


JOHN J HOULIHAN JR 
3401 EVANSTON AVE N #C 
SEATTLE WA 98103 


Governing Persons:
Member


MARS HILL FELLOWSHIP, WSOS


3524 NE 95TH STREET
SEATTLE, WA 

http://mobile.www.secstate.wa.gov/corps/search_detail.aspx?ubi=602486138
UBI 602486138
LLC
Profit
Inactive
Incorporated in WA
Date of incorporation 3/24/2005
Expiration Date 03/31/2012
Dissolution Date 3/14/2012


Registered Agent Information
John J Houlihan Jr
3401 Evanston Ave N Ste C
Seattle WA 98103


Governing Persons:
Title: Member
Name: MARS HILL FELLOWSHIP , 
Address: SEATTLE , WA 

That's a few corporations that were members of a Mars Hill Fellowship I can't manage to find in the Secretary of State listings. You search for it and the result is that there are no such things.  Well, what happened to Mars Hill Fellowship?  Did it turn into Mars Hill Church?  Was it Mars Hill Fellowship at one time and did the leadership file for a legal name change of some kind? If so then those bylaws from 2007 that Munson apparently spent time working on are bylaws for an organization that may not really exist from a strictly current legal standing.  Maybe someone can flesh that out for me.

Now if Munson resigned from Lead Pastor and Driscoll is now President then maybe there was another bylaws revision.  Driscoll mentioned that Mars Hill had once again reached another ceiling of complexity in late 2011.  The bylaws Munson had drafted couldn't permit Driscoll to be the legal president of the organization so wouldn't that necessitate new bylaws?

Whether or not Mars Hill has new bylaws it is at least clear Mark Driscoll is President of whatever Mars Hill Church is.  Munson, let's recall, formulated the charges that became the basis for firing Bent Meyer and Paul Petry. Here's a link for the sake of review:

http://joyfulexiles.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/10-01-2007-email-from-jmunson.pdf


Now John J. Houlihan, Jr. shows up a lot in these.  Is it this person?

Houlihan comes up in searches for Real Estate Law in Fremont Seattle here
http://www.switchboard.com/business/john-j-houlihan-jr-seattle-wa


John J Houlihan Jr
3401 Evanston N Ave Ste C
Seattle, WA98103

http://members.calbar.ca.gov/fal/Member/Detail/191092

http://www.yelp.com/biz/houlihan-law-seattle

I can't say I'm entirely sure what all this stuff means but it's interesting to read that Mars Hill Church was incorporated in December 1995 and that it's President is Mark Driscoll.  So if that's the case what was going on in 2008-2011 when Munson, according to those bylaws Meyer and Petry got fired for not backing, was supposed to be considered Lead Pastor?  Hadn't Driscoll said he'd resigned from being legal president several times? Maybe the Secretary of State records for Washington State leave some things out? Did Driscoll have regrets about resigning the presidency and giving that role to Munson? He has assured us Munson has always and ever been above reproach.  Okay, so Driscoll's president now even though Munson didn't say or do anything amiss?  Did Driscoll just want to be President again or something?  Why?  He'd said in early 2008 that resigning the legal presidency was the best thing he could have done.

For those who may be curious about those various LLCs associated with Mars Hill, perhaps Houlihan is the man to contact here.

1 comment:

Wenatchee the Hatchet said...

http://marshill.com/governance

If you can find where in MH websites there are links TO this feel free to let me know. It comes up in a web search but if you try to get to it from MH websites within the search tools available on those sites you may not find it right away.